The Steves welcome back Bridget to discuss the 2007 slasher-musical, Sweeney Todd, as they kick off Musical May!
What's making us happy?
Movie Discussion:
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
The Steves welcome back Bridget to discuss the 2007 slasher-musical, Sweeney Todd, as they kick off Musical May!
What's making us happy?
Movie Discussion:
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
Hello returning happies and new listeners. This is Steve Bennet-Martin,
Stephen:and this is Stephen Martin-Bennet. And welcome to
Steve:a lifetime of happiness. The podcast where we take you on our journey through some of the movies, TV shows, and other bits of pop culture that are helping to keep us. Well, hopefully bring a smile to your face along the way. And, and
Stephen:today we hope you're hungry for some meat pie, because things going on, you not well, Vera from musical may with Sweeney Todd, the demon Barbara fleet street.
Steve:Yes. And it wouldn't be a Tim Burton movie. If we didn't include our guest expert and dear friend, Bridget McMullen. And welcome back, Bridget.
Bridget:Thank you. I'm so excited to
Steve:be here. Yes. We're always excited to have you. We have the pleasure of seeing you four days in a row. Now that's a record. Yes.
Bridget:So you probably are sick amino.
Steve:Oh, you're hungrier for you than we are for these meats. I adore you. And why don't you just kick it up? Kick us off with, what's been making you happy, right? Oh, okay.
Bridget:Great. Yeah. So I caught recently this film on HBO max called the night house and it's amazing. It's Yeah, kind of it's mysterious. It's scary. It has a lot of elements of metaphysical, but you never know, like what's happening. You think it's going to be predictable, but it's not dare. I say a little bit of M night Shyamalan kind of twist to it, but it's really great. And even if you don't like scary movies, would you, I've shared with you guys that I don't, but this really intrigued me and it's on HBO max, so it's really cool. I highly recommend. Excellent.
Steve:And what's been keeping you happy in my life?
Stephen:Well, it was last night at the new moon ceremony. Like we've been doing it for several months now, but last night just seemed extra special and everybody seemed happy. And I don't know, I just left feeling like a superhero. Like it felt really
Steve:good. You are a superhero you are in, is it just keeps
Bridget:getting, I mean, We're both lucky. We get to go to every one of your ceremonies, but it really, I have to agree with you last night was like extra, extra, extra special.
Stephen:And you, my
Steve:darling, well, it's not extra, extra special because I've been playing the game for, I would say almost a month now, but ruined factory five is still constantly going on my Nintendo switch. It's the farming simulator meets RPG where I get to spend my mornings in the game, harvesting my crops. And then I spend my afternoons in Dungeons using weapons. I made for my crops and monster animals. And it's this repetitive gameplay loop that I'm now in year two, I just married the Elvin Bandon Riker. And we're getting ready to adopt
Stephen:well, if you want to ever do that in real life, I'm pretty sure you just described West
Steve:Virginia. Yes, but what also made me happy? It was rewatching this movie when we were kicking off musical may. So many of the musicals we have. Are, you know, very bright, colorful, and happy. We have hairspray in the pipeline, mamma Mia, and first half of Moulin Rouge. Yes. And this is certainly something that when I pitched it as a thing for a happy podcast, I was worried about what you would say, because it's not the happiest movie in general with the tone, but it does bring me happiness.
Stephen:Right. And it doesn't have to be happy material to make someone happy. Like we covered all the Halloween movies and one would say that mass murder doesn't usually make people happy.
Steve:Yep. And so for those of you who are unaware Sweeney, Todd is a movie about the legendary tale of a barber who returns from wrongful imprisonment to 1840s London bent on revenge for the rape and death of his wife and resumed his trade while forming a sinister partnership with his fellow tenant misses.
Stephen:That's. I mean, it's one of those things where I am DB that one's a decent one.
Steve:Yes. I always refer to it as the one where the pies are made of people.
Stephen:And what's funny is that's what people remember the most of
Steve:this story. Yeah. Yes, it certainly is. But they also remember the music. That's one of the things that I love about it is it kind of re sparked my interest when we were watching the morning show and they were doing like a Broadway night at Alex's apartment. They saying nothing's going to harm you. And I was like, that was such a good song from a good musical, from a good movie. And
Stephen:what's awful is I sat there going, I don't know what that's from because I've only seen this one time before we watched it for the podcast.
Bridget:Yeah. I've gotta be honest with you all. I always thought Barbara Streisand, it was her song because that's how I knew nothing's going to harm you. It's from Barbara Streisand. I remember watching her live Las Vegas concert and she sang it to her son and the audience. And I was like, this is a beautiful song. I had no clue. I mean, I had heard of Sweeney. Todd was Broadway, but I couldn't. I mean, I'm just being honest. I couldn't name the songs, but then of course, any Tim Burton film, you know, once I started reading in entertainment weekly, like he's making Sweeney Todd then of course, the day it opened, I went to see it in the movie theater. And so the songs I wasn't aware of, but I was just there for Tim Burton's art and it is such a
Stephen:work of art. Oh, I mean the film while lacking in all, but two colors. Hauntingly beautiful.
Steve:It's certainly, as it brings life, like, I feel like I've been to 1840s London after watching this in a way that a lot of movies don't transport you to a place. Like I hope the
Stephen:sun came out more and actual 1840s
Bridget:London. Also another great thing is because we know where it's setting in 1840s, however, Tim Burton and the art direction of the film and the cinematography, and even down to the costumes kind of has that modern feel. It's like timeless, you know? So like you really can't tell where you're at.
Stephen:And it kind of reminded me to like the Ms. Paragraph school for peculiar children. The first part of it, where he's just exploring the area before he goes through the passage to the house is all very much this same color scheme. But then once it gets to miss Peregrine's house, it's much more bright, bright, and colorful and. He does such a good job with letting the colors and the art direction speak for the movie,
Steve:certainly. And yes, for those of you not know, Sweeney, Todd is a musical slasher film directed by Tim Burton.
Stephen:Just it it's a musical. What
Steve:slash two words that surprisingly go well together. And it is an adaptation of Stephen Sondheim and Hugh Wheeler's Tony award winning 1979. Musical of the same name.
Stephen:Yeah, it was released on December 21st, 2007. So
Steve:families rushed to it for the holidays
Stephen:by paramount pictures and had a budget of 50 million and received a box office of 1 53 0.4. I actually remembered it not doing as well.
Steve:Yeah, but that would be considered a success. Absolutely. Tim Burton, typical success. But you know, if you love him as much as we do, make sure you also check out our beetle juice nightmare before Christmas and big fish episodes.
Stephen:Absolutely. And like many Tim Burton films, this stars Johnny Depp, and he plays Benjamin Barker, AKA Sweeney, Todd and Helena Bonham Carter as Nellie. Love it.
Steve:Yes. And the supporting cast includes Alan Rickman is judge Turpin, Timothy Spall as Beadle, Bamford, and Sasha Baron Cohen as Adolfo Perelli. Oh,
Bridget:from nominal. Yeah. Seeing once again, like phenomenal.
Stephen:I was not expecting Sasha Baron Cohen to do as good of a job as he did.
Steve:Yes. I mean, I previously know I'm running around in a UNITAR.
Bridget:I read somewhere that he actually, for his audition for this saying like the Fiddler on the roof was his audition music or. I love it. I would love to see that. Yes,
Stephen:I would too.
Steve:Yes. And before it was a movie the legend of Sweeney Todd actually originated in the string of pearls of penny dreadful by an unknown author first published in England in 1846.
Stephen:And at the time it was teased. There was based on a true story, even though there is no historical evidence of a Sweeney Todd or
Steve:his crimes. Yes. Then Sweeney Todd, the demon barber of fleet street started its life, not as a musical, but just a straight it, a play in 1973, creative by Christopher Bond.
Stephen:And then it was of course, adapted into musical by the legendary song, time with a book by Hugh Wheeler. And it premiered on Broadway in 1979 and the west end in 1980,
Steve:it won the Tony award for best musical and Allah, Olivia. For best new musical and his first years and like many things, you know, it disappears from Broadway, a disappears from the west end comes back for revivals. That's had multiple revivals and one of the
Stephen:most recent had Patti LuPone playing Mrs. Lovett and our favorite person from crazy ex-girlfriend Donna Lynne Chapman as Perrelli. Oh, it was a female Perelli. And in that production, the cast played instruments on stage. Like they were up there playing a flute, they were playing different like tubas and things like that. Like they really changed up how it was done. And they said that it was probably one of the best. That had ever been done for the musical. Wow.
Steve:Interesting. Yes. And so this movie starts off with how there's no place like London as Benjamin Barker and Anthony hope returned to the city after Barker was falsely charged and sentenced to a life of hard labor and Australia by the corrupt judge, Turpin whose ulterior motive was his last for Barker, his wife, Lucy. And so we hear here there was enough so that she was beautiful. A pious vulture of the lo who with a gesture of his Crow removed the bow from his plight. Then there was nothing, but to wait, Oh, and so, I mean, how do you feel for a start of the movie for its opening number? I mean, so many times musicals have opening numbers that are grand and they have the whole cast and it's lights and sounds and tricks. This is a very different opening, isn't it? Yeah, it really
Stephen:is. And it's not like Tim Burton is known always for levity because you know, the beginning of beetle juice begins with the two leads dying and that's a family movie. So, but this is extra dark, even
Steve:for Burton. Yes. Yeah. But there's something be like beautiful about them. Like, especially after that, where do we get more of the exposition and just the frenetic music as it's going fast forward through London to get to fleet street, there was just something really just beautiful about the way that cinematography was done.
Stephen:Now, do you think his unfair incarceration has led. To this jaded view of London, or do you think he's actually seeing London for what it is? No rose colored glasses?
Bridget:Well, I mean, I think maybe both, but I definitely think he's
Steve:jaded. Yeah. I mean, I don't think the 80 1840s London was the place to be in terms of prosperity and growth, but at the same time, it's, you know, the same way. Whenever I look back on New York, it's just, Greg's gray skies. Like I'm sure that there were sunny, beautiful days up there, but because of my experience overall was just not great. I look back on it much darker than probably I give it credit for now at his old fleet street, lodgings above Mrs. Nelly love its pie shop. We hear about her worst pies in London. When you get it, never thought I'd like to see the day. Many, think it was a trip for the pool. Animals are dying in the streets. Mrs. Mooney, as a pawn shop does our business for will you likely all the neighbors cuts at disappear after one to two enterprise open buses into tapas, wouldn't do in my shop. Just the thought of enough to make you sick when I'm telling you the Boosie catches quick. And I love that. How, when she's talking about her, though, the neighbor with the pie shop, trying to get cash, she's like I would never do it, plus they're too quick.
Stephen:So it's a really interesting song, but it's also severely gross because while she singing and doing that. There's just vermin everywhere and it's dirty and nothing looks appetizing. Everything looks burnt an old and
Steve:gross. Yeah. Yes. But I also thought it was really impressive the way in which she had those syncopated rhythms while she was baking. And like the whole thing was so well choreographed with the way that she moved and it ends up that she rehearsed her songs while practicing baking techniques in order to get that quick syncopated rhythm of the music. And you could definitely tell yeah. Whether it looks like she knows her way around the kitchen or not as she does. And funny thing, the majority of the pies that we see throughout the movie are actually edible. What would it take for you to eat one of her pies
Stephen:for a Roach? Not to just cry across the top of that.
Steve:Yeah.
Stephen:Other than that, I'm good. I'm try. Yeah,
Bridget:I would need to not see that scene, then try it. Cause they looked at yeah, but when you're seeing all the vermin
Stephen:walking around, it's like a, and seeing that pie, the bowl of stuff that goes in, I'm like, mm, no, thank
Steve:you. Yeah, it would take more than a dollar for someone to bet me, for me to be able to take a bite out of those pies now, Mrs. Lovett updates, Barker, that she got the place that a steal due to it being haunted. We learn over the song. Poor thing that after he left his wife, Lucy having been raped by Turpin in the midst of a party has poisoned herself with arsenic. It's been 15 years with his now teenage daughter, Joanna being terpenes ward. And like her mother before is the object of his unwanted affections Barker. I feel justifiably you know, vows, revenge and does reveal himself that he is he goes by Sweeney Todd now. And we hear it in poor thing. Just kind of a way that they allude to the, the trauma she went through. Swing. She goes that whole thing.
Stephen:yeah. It's he does a very good job. And by he, I mean the director does a good job of showing this scene and the horrific nature of it while still making it something that if children had seen it, they wouldn't know what was going
Steve:on. Yeah. They, they do handle it. Well, it's all told in the music and the way that it's shot. But. Where it occurred to the Barker family was a deep tragedy. You do believe that something like that, that hap could happen to a family, could leave a fingerprint on a place and leave it haunted. Like she suggests a hundred
Stephen:percent. Absolutely. Like any time that there is a tragedy like that somewhere, I think you're going to in like, you know, like the movie, the grudge, if somebody dies in a horrific way, it's left behind or you know, I wouldn't like old asylums before there were certain medical things put in place. I there's a reason people say, oh, those oldest sounds are haunted. I'm sure they absolutely
Bridget:are. You're not, I couldn't, I wouldn't take enough money to even walk into one of those.
Stephen:No way I would go in. I would not spend the night. I
Steve:can tell you that. No, we've seen movies about what happens when you spend nights in places like that. And it never ends for the happily ever after. No. Yes. We then meet his friends. The raisers said that Mrs. Lovett saved, which he uses to reopen the barbershop upstairs. As we hear him sing about his friend. Ruby.
Stephen:So I love that line drip rubies, because I mean, you hear it and, you know, he means blood and and also at the end, whenever he's holding one and they air and he says, my arm is now complete. Like it's so good. And just showing there was some other episode or something we were talking about where you know, losing your occupation could take away your sense of identity. And that's what it was. It was with Dr. Strange. And I think that also was with him besides everything else that was going on. He saw he like, he was a barber like that was him. And so he didn't feel normal until he had it in his arms.
Steve:Which is funny because on the flip side, Johnny, that was not an actual with the razor. He had issues handling them professionally and had the prop department design him a razor with a quick release button for those scenes because he couldn't open them quickly. Or that
Bridget:I got to say it. I mean, here comes like, and they have leftover props from Edward Scissorhands.
Steve:I'm
Bridget:just saying
Stephen:he used to do horticulture and cut people's hair. I mean, he should be used to this by now. That would have been a cool
Bridget:nod. That's really interesting though. I mean, Johnny Depp has usually like, just so immersive, like it's hard to imagine he looks so flawless and that, that scene, especially,
Stephen:so something similar that I have not seen the movie, but it Paddington bear and Nicole Kidman plays the villain in it. And her villain is known as. Knife marksman. And so she took months of professional knife, throwing training so that she could without looking, throw and hit targets and things like directly on there. And it's just interesting that what things people will go through. Like, I'm sure he tried and tried and was like, guys, I'm not getting it. We have to find something else. Yeah. Because you know, he always goes full in on a character.
Steve:For sure. He
Bridget:definitely seems like a perfectionist. Yes,
Steve:Kurt. Yes. Now while roaming London, Anthony's spots, Joanna singing, green Finch and linen bird and falls in love with her from afar. So we hear a little clip of that here. and I mean, with that, I mean, Joanna is like the one pop of color so far that we see in the movie. Right. And you know, the significance of that, you know, obviously speaks to, you know, her being like that, that one, she's like one of the few good people in this world that we encounter, and then he spots her from afar and after having a desperate woman ask for all. He vows to steal her in the song, Joanna. And you were saying earlier how much he loved Joanna. I
Bridget:love that song. It's so sweet. And you know, but it's funny because he used, I mean, like in modern day, like you would, if you're spotting somebody for the first time, you know, and you're like, I'm going to be with that for like, it's kind of psychotic in a way, but his tone, I mean, everything about it, the tone, the sweetness, I mean, it, it seems genuine. And it's kind of like, shall I say some relief into this dark film a little bit. It's kind of like energetic
Steve:relief. Yeah. I mean, you can hear the way that he sings the matter here.
Stephen:Hi.
Steve:and so, I mean, let's start off fun. Do you believe in love at first sight? Like that, that you could see a girl or a guy or whoever you would fall in love with, from the street up at a window, looking out and just fall in love like that at first sight and know that they're the one and that everything will work out perfectly
Bridget:well. It's happened to me before. I have seen somebody across the room and yeah, we had a thing for a while, so yes, I do believe that that can happen. You know, I didn't seeing her anything, but
Stephen:I definitely believe it is possible. And to, and like go with a movie like this, you also have to believe that it's possible. I have a problem though, because. He's saying that he wants to steal her. And how does he know that she isn't living the most idyllic life ever? Like he knows nothing. He's all of a sudden like, oh, she's sitting in a window, I'm going to steal her and take her out of that. Why maybe she's happy. Maybe she's happy. You know, nothing like the song sounds nice. It is so cringy and creepy. And it bothers me to no end.
Steve:Yes. I mean, I read it that way as well, especially cause the fact that he went so far as to keep on saying like, I'll steal you, I'll steal you. I mean, in some ways he should say he's like a young, like, he's just like a younger hotter version of judge Turpin. Just treating her like an object that he's going to win or steal or pro. That like, she doesn't have a say in it. He hasn't like, I hope that you love me the two, like, he doesn't care how she feels in that moment. He just wants her for himself.
Stephen:Yeah. It'd be different if he knew that this was the Joanna and that she had no other options, he sees a woman and just assumes that he's the better option. She could have been a lesbian.
Steve:She could have been. Yes.
Stephen:Like I don't like it.
Bridget:Yes. But in fact, we were talking about earlier, Anthony has played by Jamie Campbell, who was in the Twilight series. I like the Twilight series. He, so there's something about his presence in this. Like, there's something about his space that you really draw into his
Steve:that's, there is some
Bridget:timeless. So maybe even that makes you feel like, oh, he's not creepy or something, but I, I get what you're saying.
Stephen:Oh. And the song is meant to feel the way you're supposed to be feeling. That the love, the love and everything like that, but, and ma and things were different back then. I mean, we know from watching Downton Abbey and things that people romanced from afar, like even in medieval times, like people would never see each other and they would write sonnets delivered back and forth for people that they were pledging their love to, that they had never seen. So it happens it's of a time it's of a
Steve:time. Yes. But he does get his comeuppance because he's invited in by the judge is then lectured at gathering at her before being objected by Turpin. And that her yes. And the beetle beats him with his cane far from being discouraged, that he becomes determined that the parable elope. I mean, I love you so much, babe. And I love our life together. But if after our first date, your dad gave me a beating with a cane like that. I would have ghosted you quieter than anything. Like I know it's my face.
Stephen:Yeah. Like the only way you would come back is if at that point he knew if she were being held against her will. But at that point she's not being held against her. Will she just doesn't know anything else. So he has no reason to have that resolve and in real life, the only way I let her come back is if I had known that person was being held against their will. Other than that, no, you're good. I'm good. I don't need daddy beats a
Steve:lot. No. And then we go over to follow a depth going into the town square, where we hear about. and gentlemen now on annual retention, do you wake every morning and shaman well, ladies and gentlemen, from now on, you can wake up that day. Okay. I will show you what miracle mothers. Okay. Was per rallies, mirror color licks, or, yeah.
Stephen:Right then and there. I didn't like Toby because he's playing the same type of character as GFE Roche in lane is, and I hate that little shit too, that
Steve:I'm going to scream at the top of my no,
Stephen:no, no, I don't like
Steve:it. What do you think of for Ellie's magical like Sarah and, and Toby.
Bridget:I don't, I, this little kid also bothers me. And he bothers me throughout the week, but I kind of feel sorry for him too.
Steve:You know, I feel sorry for him, the Cheryl didn't denture in denture men, or whatever you call it, where he's forced to follow around and work with parolees is bad. Yes,
Stephen:absolutely. 100%. I just don't care for the little foreign child screaming at the top of their lungs, character in musicals like this and the way
Steve:mez. Yes, well quickly switches over from him singing to Sasha Baron Cohen singing and the contests because after Johnny debt, you know, called bullshit on this miracle elixir we get them to have a contest. Yes, the king of the, the I know there's some famous Borrelia who has Yes. And it was, we need Todd who challenges him to a shaving contest and he loses and Sweeney. Todd wins well, and
Stephen:I love that during the contest perennially is just going about it. At a quick normal pace. Todd is taking so much time, like parolees half done. And then, so when you tell it starts and still beats him, which I love before it all happens. It even before the whole piss conversation, I love that Sweeney. Todd sees the beetle in the crowd and is immediately like, and I'm going to kill him. And Mrs. Love, it's like, no, yeah, not now later. And it's that lesson that all seals, serial killers need to learn. And it's
Steve:patients we'll learn about that a little bit more in a moment. But yes. Have you ever had a professional shave with a straight rate as they're like this? Cause it scares me. I was going to say I had one once. I think I remember. And I just remember being terrified, like even knowing that there was a professional behind it, I'm like in the age where there are electric razors or, you know, racist with all little safeguards and everything. And after watching this movie and seeing the second app, I definitely would prefer just to use an electric razor at that
Bridget:point. If I had a beard, I also would not want to have that.
Steve:Now, Anthony spies on Joanna again, who throws the McKee. So finally giving him a green light of sorts. Yes, absolutely. As a Turpin looks on through a peep hole because he's creepy. Yes. Meanwhile, Mrs. Love it. Urges Todd to wait on his revenge plan, but Todd doesn't want to hear much of it at all. soon we'll come, boy. Don't, you know, Do you agree? Half the funnest to plan the plan, babe?
Stephen:I mean, you know what they say that revenge is the best, a dish best served cold. So maybe, and I think that's more along the lines of the thing though, of you, the other person thinks that you've forgotten about it and they'd gotten away with it and then you're like, boom, surprise. But and in this, I think she's smarter than he is. And she knows that if he has any chance of making it happen, he needs to go about it. Think it through.
Steve:Yes. Meanwhile Anthony Bersin and reveals his plan to help Jane escape and requests that he bring her to Todd's while they wait for the boat. So this is the perfect chance for you know the, him to reunite with us. Now love, it suggests that once the girl is back to kill Anthony or is back to kill Anthony, and that she'll make sure that Joanna has motherly love. I mean, what do you think of her plan of kill this boy who loves her? Just so that we can keep her as our own?
Stephen:I, I, it, it is messed up, but I could also see Todd being like, yeah, okay. No other man needs to be around her. She needs a family and you know, it'll be good for her to have a mom again.
Bridget:Yeah. At this point, I mean, I just feel like Sweeney, Todd is he's not looking what's best for everybody. He has his, he set
Steve:plans. Yes, totally. Yeah. And it seems more about the revenge than even getting Joanna back. Cause if that was his focus, it would have been gone completely differently, but it was more about getting revenge against the judge and against beetle. Yeah.
Stephen:Cause he hasn't even walked past the house to get a glimpse of her.
Steve:Yeah, and probably, and his voice assistant Toby visit Todd's barbershop. Love it keeps Toby occupied downstairs while upstairs probably reveals himself to be Todd's former assistant and attempts to blackmail him into paying him half of Todd's earnings or else he'll reveal Todd's identity. You mean that
Stephen:wasn't a real Italian accent. I know.
Steve:Shocker, shocker. How did, how does Todd reply to that? My love, oh,
Stephen:He beats him to death with a teakettle.
Steve:Yes, but right before slitting his throat to protect the secret of his true identity. What's more surprising here though, that Perelli figured out Todd's identity right away or that the beetle and later on, judge Turpin have no idea that beetle
Stephen:and judge Turpin have no idea because if the judge had been creeping for so long, seeing Joanna, he would've seen what Todd looked like. And once your oldest. Your appearance, isn't going to change that much. There's no reason that he wouldn't with Joanna still being in his house. Yeah. That memory of Lucy and Benjamin Barker are going to be in his mind. So you would think joining a trigger, his thought thought, oh, that's Benjamin Barker, not Sweeney Todd like that,
Steve:especially cause it's in the same exact shot as the old south.
Stephen:Yeah. That's a, that's a little suspension of disbelief that we're expected today.
Steve:Yes. And in addition to Joanna's hair, as we see with parolees death, the other bit of color that we get in the movie is.
Stephen:And so I think that is interesting that it's blonde yellow hair. Cause they talk about it as yellow instead of blonde and blood red. And those are pretty much the only actual colors we see in the movie.
Steve:Yeah. Now showing his true character as a judge, he sentenced the child to hanging, not knowing whether he was guilty or not has come. It was well, I'm sure he did something that deserved it.
Stephen:Yeah. And, but like, because you would see the, and he's like, oh, you've been in my courtroom before. And I see that you're not going to change your ways. And you're like, Ooh, murderer rapist, no, seven year old child. And he's like, he's getting a hanging. And like, it shows you exactly what type of person this is. Like we already knew. I mean, obviously rapist sending someone up the river for something they didn't do holding a child hostage. And now lusting after said child that you've raised it. Like this further submits his character as just awful. There's no gray area with him now. Alan Rickman
Steve:is a sinister,
Bridget:honestly. There's no. Like this was like amazing casting. And also it's like a mini Harry Potter reunion
Steve:because you have Timothy's
Stephen:fall and even well, w the Timothy's fault. But even if you think of the extended Harry Potter universe, Johnny Depp was in amazing beast.
Steve:Right. So, yes. And so was the guy who plays Jonathan, he was young ran balls in the fastball. Oh my
Bridget:gosh. Look at that. So many Harry Potter.
Steve:Yep. Yes. Now Turpin reveals to Bamford his plans to propose to Joanna, but it's confused why she isn't receptive to the plan
Stephen:60 year old, I guess he's not 60 that people just age heavily back then, but still. 17 at the most. Yeah.
Steve:Or she might've been younger. I raised her basically in a cage like the London veal ladies
Bridget:sensitivities, let
Steve:pisses me off. I was going to say that's one that we're not even going to do a clip of
Bridget:that. So that scene, like I remember watching that and like flicking him off in the movie theater, like I guess
Steve:maybe a shave we'll change that that's right. Timothy
Stephen:Spall deserves credit for being a very, very good slimy villain. Like in this, in, in chanted as the Queen's henchmen in Harry Potter, like he's very talented at what he
Steve:does. Absolutely. Yes. Now, Mrs. Levin is at first surprised that Todd murder probably without. But once she learns the reason she's quickly okay. With it takes this purse from his dead body. And immediately though becomes protective over keeping the boy Toby safe ties, ready to say, like, send him up here. I'll take care of him. And she's very much like, no, it's okay. I'll take care of him. He'll be fine. I mean, can we agree that Todd killing Toby at that point would have been too much? Yes,
Stephen:absolutely. Yeah. I may not like him, but no, that would have been too
Steve:far. Yes. Now Turpin comes to the barbershop and tells Todd of his plans to propose to Joanna while they sing pretty women. Yes. And so let's get a clip of that. Sitting in the standing on the
Stephen:So something I love in this song where there's one part where Turpin is doing the BOM BOM, BOM, BOM, BOM, BOM, and Todd is whistling at a perfect pitch. And it's probably because that Alan Rickman couldn't whistle it, that pitch, but they also, it seems also more innocent that like Todd is doing it coming from a different place than interpret is coming from and the lower pitch, bumbumbumbum it versus the high perfect pitch whistle. Love that. Like that was just so
Steve:well done. Oh yeah. I mean, even as you heard in the clip, it starts off as like a very slow. Song as he's like relishing and preparing for the kill. And then like, as it goes on, it gets faster and faster and they're singing over each other. But just before talking, get his revenge, they are interrupted by Anthony who runs in to her room, completely unaware of anyone around him sharing his plans, which Turpin here is leaving enraged family, never to return to the system. yeah. Like,
Stephen:know your audience buddy, like look around a little bit before you, I mean, obviously it was too early in the show for the judge to die. So we needed
Steve:something,
Bridget:say the chemistry and what you were saying. The vocals of Rickman and duck together were so amazing, like the chemistry of that scene. And then that anticipation, because you already know. You know, Todd wants to kill him. So you're in this anticipation and then it doesn't happen was like such a powerful,
Steve:especially since like, at that point, there's not even any question of whether or not he could do it. Like in a lot of movies when like someone wants to get romantic or like, will they actually be able to pull the trigger? We know he can pull the trigger cause he just bludgeoned someone else to death. Right. So I think that per Elliot's death in advanced like shows in this moment, like just in case anyone I need out, it's like Todd is completely capable of murder,
Stephen:which do you think is more violent and cold hearted bludgeoning someone to death with the teakettle or slitting their throat with a
Steve:razor? I would say in general, bludgeoning, someone to death would be more violent. Except we later on see that there's more than one way to slit a throat when he finally does get judged. It's true. That is very visceral, very personal. Cause it's not just a simple slip to the throat. He gets like stabbed in the neck a bunch of times. And I,
Stephen:yeah, because I think. Slitting the throat can be so impersonal and having to bludgeoned someone takes more thought and
Steve:energy. Yeah. I hope that if you ever murder me, you bludgeoned me. Cause it means you care.
Stephen:I'll even let you pick what I bless
Steve:you with. Lucky, lucky me.
Stephen:We can, we can use the Tibetan singing bowl. So it activates your heart chakra as
Steve:I'm hitting you with that. Oh, okay. Well I'm glad that we're leaving behind us. Audio proof just in case something ever happens to me. Definitely assessment marijuana,
Stephen:no matter what happened, the husband is always suspect. Number one.
Steve:Yes. Now with Sweeney Todd's plans awarded, he has an epiphany and decides to vent his murderous rage upon his customers while waiting for another chance to kill Turpin B here as epiphany here. Yeah, tell you why, because an, all of the whole human race, Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of men and only two, there's a one staying booked in his proper price in the one with his foot in the other one's face. Look, give me Mrs. Levin, look at, you know,
Stephen:now he's totally indiscriminant about his victims at this point, because he believes he's punishing a corrupt aristocracy for their exploitation of those below them. And at the same time saving the lower class from
Steve:that misery. Yeah. And I mean, what do you feel of his philosophy? Do we all deserve to die?
Stephen:I don't know, but if you look on Twitter these days with Elon Musk and people like hashtag eat, the rich is everywhere. Yeah. So just so you know, like it hasn't changed that much since the 1840s. Yes. I mean,
Steve:flipping it on its head to just, not just everyone deserved to die, but do some people deserve death more than others?
Stephen:So I don't believe in the death penalty, so I would have to say no, like I, you know, there are people that commit war crimes and I think, and I not think, I believe they deserve to be fully punished. And but in terms of killing as we've seen, unfortunately with the advancements in science, people that have already been put to death for a crime and are later exonerated by DNA evidence. I
Steve:don't believe everybody deserves to die. And then you think of, I'm sure it's going to be more in, what's making us happy once we get to finish it next week with like with moon night, the whole idea of, can you judge someone for actions that they take in the future? If someone a year or two down the road is going to kill someone is killing them justifiable. If it's part of their destiny to hurt or cause more,
Bridget:I just say, do you no harm? But I mean, of course there are people that do awful things. I just don't want to be the one to make the decision. You know, I just believe in Carmel we'll handle it. It always happens. But yeah, it's
Stephen:whether in this life or the next karma will get ya.
Steve:Yes, love it quickly becomes a very willing accomplice pose of the bodies by baking them into pies, to improve her business. As she sings a little pre. I watch the sound of the world out there. What we for is that those crunching noises
Stephen:I also love that they're talking about what people would be good to make into pies. And they're like, and ones like what about the poet? And I don't even know that he can have disease.
Steve:And I mean, with that, I mean the whole concept of, you know, if there's dead bodies around and if there's time where, what the price of meat, what it is when you get it, if you get it, what do you feel about this whole business plan that she has in place? Babe waste not want not is what I say.
Stephen:I think it's fine. I mean, like it's back then. I'm sure. Like nowadays people wouldn't eat dead horse back then. If somebody offered you up a horse burger, you were going to eat it in a heartbeat, like just don't eat dead bodies in Canada, or you become a wind to go. That's all I know. We
Steve:learned that from excellent comics. How do you feel about the concept Bradshaw?
Bridget:Well, I mean, this scene is
Steve:gross.
Bridget:I remember losing my appetite, you know, eating popcorn, and I had like silk duds. Okay.
Stephen:So what does it say about me that when we were watching this, we were eating and I was totally fine. Like, this is
Bridget:one of those movies that I don't want to eat too, or snack too.
Steve:Yeah. I mean, I don't think that I would go out of my way to, to make my own meat pie out of someone else. But if I went to a restaurant and had a meat pie and it was the best tasting meat I ever had in my life. And then I learned that it was people I would not revoke my five-star Yelp review. I would go back probably I would, I would, if I would be sold on it, if I already ate it, it's like a lot of like the weird, like random vegetables and things that you've had me eat, babe. I'm like, as long as I don't know what it is that I'm eating, tell me afterwards and I'll be okay with it. I just don't want to know before I'm eating it. So I'd have trouble eating, growing
Bridget:up, everything like my grandmother would make for us and like weed, I'd be like, what is it? Everything was chicken, but there would be scallops and be sure, you know, no it's chicken and I'd be like, oh, okay.
Stephen:And so like, I always, whenever I take people to sushi and they're not as familiar with. I will say, oh, w we should get Ooh, Nagi. And they're like, okay. And after the eaters, like, so what did you think of the unagi? Oh, it was really good. Great. That was eel. You're not going to get someone to eat barbecued eel ahead of time. They eat it. Then you tell them they may not have it again, but you already got them to admit it was good.
Steve:Yeah, exactly. I feel the same way about a little priest now. Turpin finds Joanna packing and sensor. Our way to Fogg's insane. Asylum is punishment. Meanwhile, Todd rigs, his barber chair with a pedal operated mechanism to deposit his victims through a trap door, into the Bakehouse, which
Stephen:the sound of those bodies hitting the floor with the sound of the squish of the organs and more of the bones breaking. That did more to me, that sound than the whole let's eat people song
Steve:as the weeks pass. They're singing Joanna as Todd's murders accumulate, and Anthony continues to search for Joanna. He does spare the father with a wife and daughter watching though,
Stephen:because he couldn't kill somebody with someone watching. I
Steve:wanted to give him a little credit
Stephen:here because there's no way he could have killed the man and gotten to the women before they screamed with how popular the restaurant was. Like, that's the one that just had to get away. But you also have to wonder how many people is he killing? Because businesses like his are based on word of mouth. If there's no mouths leaving.
Steve:Yeah.
Bridget:People like noticing
Stephen:some people missing well, and like, I, Hey, love I'm going for a shave. I'll be right back. My husband said he was just, oh goodness, what did he say he was going to do. He was going to save and he didn't come back. Well, if we should go see where he was getting, it
Steve:was paralysis. Now with that a great system in place. It's a little ingenious, if not a little bit disturbing the barber and the pie, making business proffers prosperous financially, and love. It takes a young Toby who announces their grand opening scene. God, that's good, which is very much in line with what he was singing for, parolees me, or call like, sir, trying to get people to buy the pies. And then they go off for a picnic by the sea. Mr. Todd, that's a life hard car fit by the same as the and customer get OBE underneath off land when it's just you or me. Yeah. In the English chart.
Stephen:It was here that I started thinking, oh, I don't think I should be trusting Mrs. Lovett, because until this, I was like, oh, what a good partnership they are. And then all of a sudden it was like, she's changing the plans. She's changing the plans. Be wary of
Steve:her. Yeah. And I mean, at the same time, like, as she's having this entire montage of her dream life that she imagines being able to create with Todd, it's the most colorful that we see in the entire movie. Everything is color.
Stephen:Yeah. Except for his face frowning, the entire site and
Bridget:his hair. And he's wearing like a black and white, it looks like a prisoner, a prison shirt or something.
Steve:And his hair looks like
Bridget:his hair. I know it's so striking the whole time. But it almost looks like the. His hair's getting darker in the Stripe throughout the movie, looks like it's speeding or something. I noticed that. And I don't know if that's like symbolic as you're going through the movie, but I noticed that, yeah, he's, he's looking worse and worse.
Stephen:Yeah. Like that his life isn't by the city.
Steve:No. I mean, even as we went through it and she's singing about all this, he, you even hear him say he's like anything you say, I mean, have you ever met, I've heard you
Stephen:saying that.
Steve:I know about what's for dinner, babe. Not about our life together, but I mean, have you been in past relationships with that? Where you look back and you're like, wow. I was Mrs. Lovett. I was way more into it than the sky was just kind of going through the motions. I've been on both sides. Yeah.
Bridget:Yeah, no, I've always been in love. It's like, I feel like I've always been in that side, but not like
Steve:now. Yes. Now, Anthony finally discovers Joanna's whereabouts and following Todd's plan proposes as to pose as a wig maker's apprentice. Cause that's where they get all their hairs from the other girls in the asylum. Cause gross. Yeah.
Stephen:We see more of the beggar woman coming about these
Steve:days too. Yes. I wonder if that comes into play later. Yeah, but like this time when they were singing, God that's good. And she was singing like smoke smokes, ring of fire. I was like that the first time through is like that's when I was like, that's his wife. Yeah. I figured it out that time, like around the midway point that twist. When did you figure out the twist?
Stephen:So I had forgotten the twist from, cause I watched it on video when it first came out. So I haven't seen it in like 16 years. And so I had forgotten it, but it was during this thing, I was like the beggar. Woman's a character. The pecker woman's his wife, because at that point, like, no, one's going to believe the crazy woman on the street that there's something wrong with the smoke, but they kept bringing this woman in and I was like character. And
Steve:so I just two and two together. Yeah. Yeah. Now with this plan in place, Todd's motive for assisting as clearly to LER Turpin back to the barber shop. So he sends Toby to the courthouse to let the judge know where he'll find Joanna. So at this point, like you see, he doesn't care about Joanna. He doesn't care about finding Joanna. He just cares about killing the judge. Toby meanwhile has become wary of Todd. And when he returns, he tells Lovett of his distressed, unaware of her complicity in his crimes. He promises to protect her because he now loves her like a surrogate mother singing, not while I'm around, before she gives him a tour of the basement, locking him in and we hear this with her, sing it back.
Stephen:Now, before we get into this song, I want to go back real quick while this is on my mind. It was in this paragraph where you were saying that he's not even thinking of Joanna anymore. Yeah. Do you think, okay, so obviously he probably had a good bit of life with Lucy before he was sent off. Joanna was a baby. And he's had all this time. Is it. The thought of Joanna brings up too many feelings of Lucy, or he didn't have enough time to bond with the baby and it's not in his thing. And he's more focused on revenge on the Lucy. I
Bridget:feel like it's probably so painful for him. And I feel like he's in this place now where he's like gonna kill, like, he's just, he's closed off. He's he's cold inside. And I just, I do feel, but I mean, maybe it's both, I mean, maybe he didn't bond, but at the same time it's part of Joanna or it's part of Lucy. So I feel like it's both, but yeah, I feel like he's just so obsessed with his plan that, and it's probably painful and
Stephen:cause that's the one thing with his character that I don't, and we've we keep talking about it. Like he hasn't gone past the judge's house to look at the. Just see
Steve:Joanna. Yeah. I don't think it's about Joanna for him. I mean, while he, even when he was singing Joanna in the reprise or praise, however you say it like he was saying, like, I'll never see you again, like he's written her off at this point and it's just about getting that revenge. Right.
Stephen:Do you think if he had been 100% successful with all of his revenge things, do you think he would've left town and drifted away to give Joanna a fresh start without the specter of he or anything else
Steve:lingering over her? I think by this time in the movie, yes. When he first came to town, he had a couple different ways. He could've gone about fixing things, but he, he chose revenge over choosing redemption and picking up the pieces that were. For sure. Now
Stephen:back to the song, this is the one song that everybody knows, right?
Steve:Yes. Right. And it's interesting because it's the song that everyone knows from pop culture, but even like on Spotify where it has, like how many, like the number of plays on things, a little priests is like double really all around. But I think it's also probably because this is the movie version. And as you mentioned, like Barbara Streisand has her version, I'm sure I'm not going to go listen to the better version. Yeah. But I mean, why do you feel like this song was the breakout hit, so to speak from the musical? It's
Bridget:beautiful. I mean, the lyrics are just so sweet and touching and I mean, I always think of my sons, like a mother and a
Stephen:son. Okay. I was like, when I was listening to, I was like, I'd make sure I was looking out for you. You're like, nobody's going to harm
Steve:you while I'm around. And I do sing it to Remy sometimes, but I mean, what's said is like, in the context of this movie, she's singing it to Toby while she's getting ready to lock him in the basement while she's choosing Sweeney Todd over Toby right now in this moment, when she makes that choice, what would you have chosen? Would you have chosen to continue to protect Sweeney Todd? Or would you have protected the boy, the boy business? Oh, sorry.
Stephen:In this situation in the 1840s, if you're going to talk about your future livelihood, like she seems like a survivor. Yes. And as a survivor, she's going to always choose. Who's going to keep food on her table coins in her purse. She was always going to choose Todd, especially if there's the chance. That they could end up together. And her version of Mrs. Lovett is young enough that she could be
Steve:a significant other, a partner
Stephen:and a mother to a legitimate child from him that she's young enough. She could still birth a child. Right. So I think that, you know, Toby has been a really great thing to give that love to, but in her mind, she sees an actual family with Todd that she can have of her own. And that's why she chooses it. I also think she could have at least given Toby the opportunity and said, look, this is what's going on. You've already helped somebody, swindle people. We're getting rid of bad people. I'm keeping you off the streets. I'm keeping you bathed. I'm keeping you closed. Help us out, like could have given the kid the opportunity.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that there was a universe in which Toby found out and accepted it and was part of the family and kept the secret?
Bridget:Yeah, I think so. Because I think like what you just pointed out with Mrs. Lovett is I feel like he's kind of a survivor. I feel like he's trying to stay fed. I mean, he doesn't have a place, you know, and he's looking for a home and something, so sure.
Stephen:I think if they had come to him and been honest versus him finding out the way he did, it's, it's those different things, because we've seen that in other movies where you know, just be honest, it's going to be less of a shock than them finding
Steve:out on their own. And I think that happens in real life too. Yeah. Now, as Anthony's given a short tour of the asylum, he becomes aware that his guide has been using the female inmates for his own. Because of course he has in this world after frame Joanna, he locks the guide in with the inmates who attack, ready to kill him. Now is this how wigs were really made back then? And 100%.
Stephen:Cause if you remember from lay Ms. Anne Hathaway's big song, was her selling off her hair to try to afford for she and her baby, like she was known for her beautiful locks and someone was like, I'll give it a six pounds, but it wasn't that much, but you know, and so yeah, they got to where people who had nice hair and have good color chop it all like real, like nowadays, like, you know, You have to grow it out and then they'll cut it to here. And those days they cut it so that it was like punks taken out. They didn't care because they were poor. And that's what you could do to poor people. That's so
Steve:sad. I like your hair, baby. I wouldn't want someone to cut her off her awake. Luckily it's
Stephen:not long enough. I was going to say I would also stamp a bitch.
Steve:Yes. Now love it. In Forbes forms, Todd of Toby suspicions, but they're sidetracked when Beadle Bamford arrives at the barbershop Toby hides in the sewers after seeing the Beatles body drop into the floor. And that was kind of the last straw after he found fingers in a pie and clothing and body parts in the fireplace they go after him into the sewers, which leads me to ask that they would've killed him in the sewers. Right. If they found him. Yeah. And
Stephen:so I think, yes. And I think that's exactly where Todd was going, but if she had. I had enough control over him. She might've said, can we try to talk to him first? But I think at this point they were just going to kill him.
Steve:Meanwhile, Anthony brings a disguise Joanna to the shop and when she sees the beggar woman coming into the shop after beetle, she hides herself in a trunk in the corner of the room. As Todd enters, she claims that the beggar woman claims that she recognizes him. Don't I know you just then terpenes, voices heard Todd quickly slits the bigger woman's throat and deposit serve body through the trap door. Oh,
Stephen:it's the a, that was one of the, oh, it just gets me in my gut every time where I'm like, if he hadn't just wanted things cleaned and out of the way, instead of just ushering the woman out of the room.
Steve:It just, he would have been
Stephen:differently. It would have been different. And, but he was just so focused right then and there that he acted without thinking.
Steve:Yep. And then as Turpin enters, Todd lies to him that Joanne has repented and offers a free shave. Todd then reveals his true identity and stabs the fuck out of his neck multiple times before finally slitting his throat and dropping him through the chap door. As Joanna peeks out from the trunk, Todd sponsor and prepares to slit her throat as well. Not recognizing her as his daughter, a spring from Lovett diverts into the basement. And he tells Lucy to forget she ever saw his face. And that is the last of the movie where we see. Lucy as well as Anthony, what do you think happened with the two of them? They died
Stephen:penniless on the street. He has no skills. She has no skills. She has her hair, they have no savings. They die of hunger or something, or, or she's taken in and made as a prostitute. Like it doesn't end well for them.
Steve:Yes. I prefer to think because I like happy things that they ended up taking a boat to some other place that was a little nicer than London was at the time and were able to start new and start a family and live happily ever after. I like that. And that's why we wouldn't see it in this movie, because from here on end, no one lives happily ever after in the basement Mrs. Lovett tells him that Turpin had been alive and was trying to grab it or insurance address as he was bleeding. Viewing the corpses in the light of the Bakehouse fire, Todd discovers that the beggar woman was his wife, Lucy, whom he believed to be dead based off of her account of her being poisoned. Todd realizes that love, it knew Lucy was alive. Love at points said that she never said that she died. Only said that she drank the poison, only drank the poison. Never said that she died. Yeah. And she confesses that she's in love with him and she did it for him and for them together Todd acts like he forgives her waltzing maniacally with her around the Bakehouse before hurling her into the open oven, letting her burn alive and
Stephen:like a witch. And that also the fire is the only other color in the
movie.
Steve:And with this like kind of twist of that, like she manipulated this entire movie from the get-go manipulated him from the guy. I mean, who do you think did the greater harm Mrs. Lovett for her deception and the pies or Todd for all the murder?
Stephen:Just Mrs. Lovett for the deception, because if she had said immediately, your daughter's alive. So is your wife, your wife is living as a crazy woman on the streets. He may have gone for the revenge, but he also would have sought out Lucy trying to help her. And then the two of them together probably would've maybe killed Turpin to get Joanna, but most of this would not have happened, right?
Bridget:Not as much killing it. We might not have had a movie. Right. I
Stephen:think it would have been beetle and turbine would've died, but that's
Steve:about it. Now. He returns to Lucy and cradles her dead body. He has Toby and merchants from the sewers behind him picking up the discarded razor, sneaking up behind the barber and slitting tuts. The film ends with Todd bleeding over his dead wife as Toby walks away with
Stephen:the red blood mixing with the yellow hair.
Steve:Yeah. Yes. Now Todd, up here to here, Toby behind him, I feel, and sort of like lifted his throat for the sledding. Do you believe he embraced his death in that moment with nothing left to live for? Yes. Yes.
Stephen:100%. He had given up and like it, he saw the error of everything there and he realized there was no coming back from all this and that the revenge wasn't necessary. Like it broke him at his
Steve:core. Yes.'cause even like
Bridget:when he let's say, you know, when he, when the judge is dead, what then does he feel better? He's not going to feel better. And I just always kept thinking. And then when he said to Joanna and he's never going to see her again, like, is he taking his own, you know, like, there's just like this mystery of. You don't think it's going to end well for Todd either way.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like if he still wanted Joanne, like Joanna, he would've known she was still out there, but I feel like at this point he had already said his goodbyes to her and just said goodbyes to everything. Yeah. And so what's such a dark ending. I wanted to end on a little bit of fun trivia. That's a little happier, cause it involves breasts. If you notice throughout the movie, as the movie goes on, Helen, his bus size increases noticeably. They just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. That was not fake. That was real because she was pregnant with timber and second child while filming
Stephen:and it kind of makes it look like the more money she had, the more I as Mrs. Love it. The more money she had for better corsets for pushing up and revealing. Yes.
Bridget:When she gets put in the oven, that's like the second movie and maybe more, I was trying to think that she, her demises with fire because in Frankenstein with Robert de Niro, I, I believe she gets caught on fires or like something knocks over and Frankenstein's bride, she becomes Frankenstein's bride and she catches on fire. So two times in a movie, she gets a prior
Steve:demise. So what do you think in the movie, in the end? It's
Stephen:one that I'm so glad we watched. I really enjoyed it. You know, me and rewatching movies. Yeah. I love Tim Burton. This isn't high on my ever to rewatch again, list. It's very, very good. I don't find this one re watchable a lot. I know people that. I know people that love this music so much, and they have seen this dozens of times.
Steve:Yeah. I'm more likely to listen to the soundtrack. I think five topics than I am to rewatch.
Bridget:I agree with you. The music's fantastic. And you know, it's not, it critically, it's not one of Burton's best. Like he didn't really get great reviews on this. It's, you know, it's on his worst films list mostly. And it's definitely not like in my top favorite Burton's films, but I'm so loyal to him that, but yeah, it's not like it's not something like, oh, I'm going to watch this to feel good today or something. But but I mean, from an artistic standpoint standpoint, I mean, I have so much respect for it. Again, it's Tim Burton, his brand, his style the cinematography is amazing, but yeah, if I'm going back to it, it's for the music. And Johnny
Steve:Depp. Oh. And
Stephen:anytime we can go back and see. Some of these people on the screen, again, especially like
Steve:Allen
Stephen:I, what really is one of the movies that I grew up with him was Robin hood, prince of thieves as the sheriff of Nottingham. And that is so hard to find on DVD or anything right now. And it was one of the biggest movies of its time of its time. And now it's like completely forgotten. And like the Alan Rickman just commands the screen when he's on it. Yes. My favorite Christmas movie, he may play a shit, but
Steve:he's so good. And he's less shitty than he is here. Yeah, here's a great
Bridget:movie. I don't know if you've seen it. It's called truly madly deeply.
Steve:I feel like I've heard of
Bridget:it, but it's Alan Rickman. I can't think of the actress. She's an English actor. Anyways. You got to watch it, but he's phenomenal. Like, oh my gosh. I just hear his voice though. I really, I love his voice, his presence. And of course snake. Yes. I
Steve:mean he snake. Yeah. So Potter thank you listeners for checking it out. We'd love to hear what you think of Sweeney Todd or what you're hoping to hear as we go forward into musical. May you can do that by emailing us@happylifepodatgmail.com. You
Stephen:can get in touch with us on all the socials, whether it is Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or tech talk at happy
Steve:life pod. And until next time stay happy.