The Steves welcome back their favorite showgirl, Ronnie Diamond, to discuss the ultra-campy and questionably terrible, Showgirls, along with what's making us happy in pop culture today!
What's Making Us Happy?
Movie Discussion Includes
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The Steves welcome back their favorite showgirl, Ronnie Diamond, to discuss the ultra-campy and questionably terrible, Showgirls, along with what's making us happy in pop culture today!
What's Making Us Happy?
Movie Discussion Includes
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
Hello, returning happys and new listeners. This is Steve Bennet-Martin,
Stephen:and this is Stephen Martin-Bennet. And welcome to a lifetime of happiness.
Steve:The podcast where we take you on our journey through some of the movies shows and other bits of pop culture that are helping to keep us happy will hopefully bring a smile or two to your face along the way.
Stephen:And today we're celebrating summer by going to camp and enjoying all of our favorite campy movies. And this week it's the unintentional campy, 1995 movie Showgirls and joining us this week is our favorite show. Girl is our favorite unintentionally campy showgirl, Ronald Wilson diamond. The second. Welcome ho
Ronnie:thank you for having me. I just finished my show a few minutes ago. Now it's time to down this hippo
Stephen:Now, before we get into all of the. And wonderful things about this movie. What's been making you happy this weekend. Well,
Steve:it's been my birthday weekend, which has been fabulous, but we also recently watched on Netflix how to build a sex room. And now I wanna be on season two because those rooms are awesome.
Stephen:Those rooms were amazing. And they're not anything like you hear, I wanna build a sex room and all of a sudden, you think dark dirty, like just chains and things like,
Ronnie:or that's how you know, it's good. That's how you know, it's gonna
Steve:be good. Yeah. Or, or you think of something right out of 50
shades
Stephen:of gray. Right. And, but these were like sensual and classy and opulent and Locke and lush and beautiful. And they were all designed by this 50 to 60 year old British woman who was like, Mary Poppins of sex rooms. Yeah.
Steve:It is definitely worth a watch whether you're into the home renovating shows or sex or both.
Stephen:Ronnie, have you seen it?
Ronnie:No, but I think that just a spoon full of Poppas helps it all go down.
Stephen:I do hear that. That is a fact. Yes. So you need to, you do need to check this out on Netflix. It's really good.
Ronnie:yeah, I definitely wanna see it. I I'd seen the preview when you're just flicking through Netflix, you know, maybe we suggest something for you to watch, you know, something like that. And I was like, what? And I, and I saw like the trailer and I thought, what. Who's this old grandmother. Wait, actually I think she's probably younger. She's younger than me. so the, oh my gosh. Okay. I'm definitely gonna have to watch that, but I, right before our call today, I was finishing up the second season of lock and key. So, oh, how was
Steve:it? I love it. I like lock and
Stephen:key. That's written by Steven King's son, Joe Hill mm-hmm
Steve:mm-hmm
Ronnie:and it's creative and it's good. And it's not all, I mean, it's more and more, although there's a child actor in it. Of course they're all. Well, many of them are children, but it, I think it's more closer to that 13 than to the PG cuz there, there is some darker there are darker elements in there that you wanna watch if you're a parent with smaller children around.
Steve:Yeah. And what's been making you happy, Steven.
Stephen:For me, I J like, so, you know, we love our Marvel shows and. Disney plus just released she Hawk attorney at law, starring Emmy winter Tatiana Masani from orphan black fame. Yes. And so it's it's about Jennifer Walters, who is the cousin of Bruce banner, who everyone knows as the Huk and because of an accident. She also now hulks and it was funny. It was well acted. It was just really well done. We laughed out loud. I'm very excited to see where it all goes.
Steve:Yes, me too. It was definitely something that we've been looking forward to and it delivered with that first episode so far. Yes.
Ronnie:Now, well, I'll definitely have to watch that then if you recommend it, because I have to say, you know, I love Marvel and you know, I'm ex and through and through my favorite of all, always that will be the talk well, and I like Dr. Stray and all of that, but to be, I mean, to be fair, sometimes it can be a little hit or miss, are you saying this was a hit?
Stephen:Oh yes. 100% hit. It's definitely more of a comedy and, but okay. It's really, really well done. And the lead actress on it is one of the most talented, talented actresses that doesn't get her fair dues in culture, because a lot of people didn't see the show orphan black, where she was playing six to 10 characters and she was so good at doing it. You didn't all of a time realize. That she was the same, the same actress was playing all those characters. They were so fully developed, looked different and her mannerisms and facial expressions and everything. She just melted into each character so that you didn't even see that's the same
Steve:one. Oh, now I want to go back and re-watch orphan black.
Stephen:I know. So Ronnie, if you haven't seen orphan black, you need to see if you can find that streaming somewhere. It's very good.
Ronnie:I think I played with someone named orphan black one time. There was a black orphan. Wait that different that well, I always thought that profile on grinder was strange. You never know if it's a chatbot or not. All right. If I get
Stephen:confused, now what's been making you happy recently.
Ronnie:Well I've been just living my life here. Not too much has been going on. Really. Brent's been working extremely hard and I think we're trying to plan out Christmas dates when to come in. When to do that, we do that. I've been reading, I have my flute lessons with my food teacher in France, and every day I've been going to the gym and working really hard with my trainer Navine, my coach. He's certainly inspiration. Don't you know, just one look at his pictures video and makes you go G go. But to be fair though, which strangely I haven't had any alcohol for seven weeks. Can you believe such a thing? Would you have ever thought something imaginable? No. No, certainly not. And neither would I, but here I am seven weeks, but that's because, you know, it's very difficult. It's very difficult to go to the gym. If you've been drinking wine at lunch, Just can't do it. You can't do it. And you know, it's kind of like if you, if you play a woodwind instrument, cuz you know, it, flute is my third instrument, but it's a woodwind. You can't hold out a whole note for two measures or a tied whole note or anything like that for eight beats, you just can't do it. If you've been smoking cigarettes or breathing in that beautiful toxic Indian air, therefore I must stay inside. That's what's been making me happy. I did finish my, the latest book I finished was the second Mrs. Aster. I also read social graces and now I'm reading the last debutantes, which took place right before world war II. And that's where I am. These things
Stephen:make me happy. So did you personally know the last w.
Ronnie:I did I did. I came out with him. Don't you know, it was the Eve of 1939. Yeah. Right before, right before Germany invaded Lithuanian in Poland. So yes, I was there strutting my stuff in Mayfair.
Stephen:always a
Steve:pleasure. Yes. And speaking of strutting your stuff, let's get into the movie.
Stephen:Yeah. So darling, how is Showgirls camp?
Steve:It definitely is unintentionally campy. I feel, yes. I just wonder like, especially the first half hour of the movie, like who this feral creature is and why are people drawn to it?
Stephen:Yeah. Like I blame so much of this movie on the director. Mm-hmm because it is the director's job to get the performances out of the actors and actresses that you want. And. Like we'll get into it later, but some of the lines and things that are played as 100% serious can never, ever be taken that way. And so that's what makes it unintentionally campy.
Steve:Yes. And how does the movie make you happy? So
Stephen:it's one of those things that I do believe that it is better than the critics gave it credit for at the time mm-hmm But it is in a lot of ways, a giant train wreck of a film, but between the costumes and the overacting and the not great dialogue, but the memorable quotes and things like that, it all adds up to this thing that shouldn't work and shouldn't be enjoyable, but I've seen it like six or seven times now. And I'm like, God, that was entertaining.
Steve:Yeah. I mean, and it it's surprising cuz getting into like the facts, like that's what made me happy was learning more about the backstory of this movie, cuz it has a backstory like unlike most movies that you hear about and it's release in its reception, but it was directed by Paul OVN and written by Joe Esther house, which was the same team behind basic instinct, which is not no horrible nor can't be
Stephen:no. And what's really interesting about that is that he's also responsible for several other like things that we've seen. Now Starship troopers came out after this and that was 100% super campy. You mentioned basic instinct. There was total recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger, robo like that. And like some of those things are just very well received. Like over the course of time and you get to something like this and you're like, what was he thinking? And and, and what studio didn't stop him? Was it because of how much money Robocop and total recall made that there was no one there to say, you know, just dial it back a little bit. The writer also wrote flash dance, which if you go back and watch flash dance is unintentionally campy interesting these days. And so you've got, you know, several of those things, this writer didn't really do a whole hell of a lot after yeah. Showgirl. So. His career kind. Maybe he went on to do something else or people blamed him for what was on the screen.
Steve:Yeah. And speaking of what's on the screen, IMDB summarizes the movie as Nomi, a young drifter arrives in Las Vegas to become a dancer and soon sets about claw and pushing her way to become the top of Vegas show girls.
Stephen:That's actually a pretty good summary because it's not like you can say, you know, all the other things that happen in a, a run on sentence.
Steve:So yeah, no, it was a good descriptor. Yeah. It's it sounds like other movies that we've seen. And I'm sure I'll be able to make some comparisons or things that draw from this or this drew from. Right. But what makes this interesting for a movie is it's the first and as of this recording, the only NC NC 17 film. To be given a wide release in mainstream theaters.
Stephen:Yeah. And so I even remember how much of a controversy that was, that hit my little small town in West Virginia, because they did a big thing of it on good morning, America mm-hmm Elizabeth Berkeley appeared on there with some of the other cast members and things like it, it made a giant splash because no one had ever heard of this NC 17, you know, you'd heard of PG PG 13 mm-hmm R and X. Yeah. And then there's this NC 17, which immediately people started saying was like porn. Yeah. And there, because there really wasn't anything to compare it to. That's what the comparison that stuck, especially with the Bible belt people. Yeah.
Ronnie:Yeah. And with Elizabeth Berkeley, what, you know, To what did we really have anything to compare? Think of. It had only been recently from that point that she was on saved by the bell. Think of all the parents and the people all across America at that time, who it was raised on saved by the bell and thought, oh, you know, she's gonna be in a movie. We gotta go see it. I can see the reason for the extra
Stephen:warning. Yeah. And you can also see why she would wanna take on a role like this. It's very similar to, you know, Britney Spears and her more risk gay songs that she tried to do or Miley Cyrus, whenever she came out with her post Hannah Montana stuff to try to break away. The Hannah Montana image. So Elizabeth Berkeley was trying to break away from Jesse Spano. Well, she definitely broke away.
Steve:Yes. oh, sure. Broken down. and as we mentioned, not only does it start Elizabeth Berkeley, but it also has Kyle McLaughlin who I was like, that's the guy from twin peaks. Yep. And
Stephen:playing Zach. Yep. And Gina haw, who most recently people would see in Riverdale. But has been in so many things over the years as crystal Connors. Yeah.
Steve:And with the background for the movie Nomi's role was originally offered to Pam Anderson, drew Barry Moore, Angelina Jolie, Denise Richards, and char therein, who all turned it down.
Stephen:So Pam Anderson, I could have seen doing it. Drew Barry Moore was in her rebel phase at that time because. That was around the same time she had jumped on David Letterman's desk and pulled up her shirt and flashed him. Angelina Jolie was just coming up. Denise, Richard, the same thing, Shirley St. Never would've done it. Just not gonna happen.
Ronnie:They should have offered it to Iona rider. she could have played an old hitchhiker most easily. And she was going through her klepto phase during that time. I believe she would've made a good old stripper on a pole.
Stephen:She hadn't gotten to the klepto phase yet. She was still that, that we know of. That's true. But she had just, she was doing the she had just come off of Dracula at that point. There's no way Winona a writer. Would've done this. Yeah. She coulda looked
Ronnie:like beetle cheese
Steve:yeah. And just like how there were potentially many different Nomis Zach's role was first offered to Dylan McDermott. mm-hmm while crystal was offered to Madonna, Sharon Stone, Sean Young and Darrell Hannah before Gina became available.
Stephen:So I could've seen Madonna doing it. Sharon Stone had just come off basic instincts and she probably would've thought it was too similar. Yeah. Sean Young was on the downward side of her popularity at the time and I don't think Darrell Hannah would've done it.
Steve:Yes. And as we mentioned, this had a huge controversy when the, the film came out, but between talk shows and promotions for it between that, and the fact that the movie theaters allegedly had to hire more people for checking IDs and things like that they say that it's believed why it only had a box office of 37.8 million, which isn't that great seeing as how it took 40 to 45 million to make. Right.
Stephen:And but the thing that's amazing about it. Is the cult status that it has received and it's made more than 100 million in video rentals and DVD and Blueray sales since that time. Yes. So it actually is a. A blockbuster movie now, now it is
Steve:yes. Now the film I found fascinating, it was the winner of a then record 7, 19 95 golden raspberry awards from a record of 13 nominations. Now, if you're not familiar with the raspberry awards, it's not the best of it's the worst of, and they're called the
Stephen:RAs these days. Yes. And
Steve:kinda like
Ronnie:Howard, the
Steve:duck. Yes. Yes. And it's awards include worst picture, worst actress, worst director, worst screenplay, worst new star, worst screen, couple and worst original song.
Stephen:And what's funny is worst screen couple actually went to anyone that touched each other in the movie show girls.
Steve:Yeah. And Paul OVN was the first director to ever turn up to collect these awards, including in 2000 it won worst movie of the decade.
Stephen:and what's kind of funny is it's about golden raspberry. The RAs in general is it's the night before the Oscars and Sandra Bullock showed up to accept her win for all about Steve. And then the next night she won best lead actress for the blind side that is as the golden or at the Oscars. So I love that. People like that can be like, you know what? You didn't like it. I'm okay with that. I'll show up and accept your award. And then she's like, but then I got this other little golden trophy to prove that I can do shit yeah.
Steve:Now, are you ready to jump into this fascinating movie discussion horse?
Stephen:Oh, so much,
Ronnie:I'm as ready as I'll ever be.
Steve:excellent. Well, it starts off with Nomi Malone, a young drifter who hitch hikes to Las Vegas, hoping to make it as a showgirl. after a driver, she hitch hikes with robs her Noby meets Molly Abrams, a costume designer who takes no me in as a roommate.
Stephen:So this God there's a lot
Steve:here. Yeah. Can I start out with my initial questions? Yes.
Ronnie:Yeah. While I text you five minutes in 10 minutes in 20 minutes in 30
Stephen:minutes. Yeah. You were, you were not dealing well with this movie when you watched it Ronnie
Steve:yeah. Why was she so angry and so rude? Like right from the it's spastic.
Ronnie:Yes.
Steve:Spastic.
Stephen:And so this is, I, I blame the director, as I said, because she's performing at an 11 at a minimum with her actions and her movements and everything. And Ronnie used the right word. She's spastic. Yeah. Like she gets in the truck, the guy barely hits on her and she pulls a knife and is at an 11 with that performance, whenever things go wrong in the casino. Like, she's not sad. She's mad at the slot machine. And then like, she has her whole breakdown over in the parking lot by Molly's car. Like everything is so extreme. I there's no real good reason for her to be this angry and rude. I've never met anybody in my life that lived their life, that high, like all the
Steve:time. Yeah. I mean, it, it just was a lot. And then also, I mean, mm-hmm, more something you saw in movies back then was hitch hiking. Is that still a thing or when did that stop?
Stephen:I think there were a lot of Uber well, I, in the nineties you started hearing stories of the hitch hike. Robbing and killing people or people picking up hitchhiker and killing the hitchhiker and raping them and things like that. So it was a whole thing that both sides didn't look great. And police started like they made laws that you weren't allowed to walk along interstates mm-hmm so no more hitchhiking that way. And it just really became a thing of between the urban legends about what happened. If you picked up a hitchhiker or were a hitchhiker and the laws that were put in place, it just became a thing that people were like, Nope, it's not safe. Yes.
Steve:Now. Well, I,
Ronnie:well, I would think, I would think, you know, this is the time before the smart phone, the dating apps, the mad up, I would think it'd be a great way to hook up
Stephen:well that's and you see stories of that happening, but then someone also would
Ronnie:die. I don't tell any of my stories. I never died. Oh, wait, we're not now. Sorry. I didn't want that out. now I resurrected and
Stephen:came back each time. No, that was your nipple. But we get the iconic line from the driver that picks no me up of what are you going to Vegas for? You gonna win. And she goes, I'm gonna dance
Steve:oh yeah.
Stephen:now slot machines. Like they used to be manual and you had to pull the lever and they would spit out coins.
Steve:Yes. I mean, wouldn't that make it more addicting than today's where it's just numbers on a screen. So
Stephen:I definitely think it's more rewarding because you had that real world money popping out below you and you never really were sure how much you were winning. It's just this pile of shining silver in front of you. And whenever I was in fifth grade, mom and dad went to Vegas for a banking convention. And dad would go to bed at night and mom would stay in the casino until like four or five in the morning playing the slots. And she came back with so much money from the slot machines. And you know, it, because there are no windows in the casino areas. You have no idea how much time you're spending. Yeah. And there are no
Ronnie:clocks, no clocks. You'll never find a
Stephen:clock. Mm-hmm And, but it's kind of funny that, you know, mama Martin of all people felt safe to just be left alone in a casino playing slots. Well,
Steve:there she goes. And it worked out well for her. Yeah. now it's one thing for Nomi to be just like a wild Savage person towards the guy who ultimately ends up like taking her a suitcase. I mean, right. You know, maybe, maybe she had some sort of uncanny supernatural ability to be able to tell that he was bad news and that's why she was an insane, crazy person. but then. We have her meet Molly who right away, she beats on Molly's car curses at her almost like walks out into traffic to get hit by a car or bus
because
Stephen:she's ready to just kill herself. Cuz she lost her suitcase. Yeah.
Steve:And normally right now I could imagine she beats just like who the fuck is this white girl and what is her damage? Right. But instead she's like, come on, let's get food where you had where you notice.
Stephen:Yeah. And like it's not normal. And Nomi is sitting there proceeds to jam her straw into her soda as if the soda were the killer at the end of a horror movie. And she's just stabbing it to kill it. I mean, Elizabeth Berkeley went through two straws in that scene. She broke one straw trying to jam it in and subtly grabbed another one and did finally get it into the soda. But like there was no need for it to be that much. And then Molly's like, where are you from? Back east back east where different places. And then she throws the fries into the air, but then they continue to talk as if that didn't happen.
Steve:Yes. And then Molly invites the crazy girls to live with her Molly didn't pay for all the food. right, exactly. I mean, at this point, I mean, Molly must have a hard on for Nomi, right? Like there's no other way that she would be open and receptive to this kind of craziness. If she wasn't like, oh wow. This is the girl for
Stephen:me. Yeah. It's like, the movie is all about unspoken bisexuality. Oh yes. And, but the, I still wanna go back and blame the director, like why throw the fries? That was a bit much know me trying to jam the straw in it's a little bit too much. Like it's, you're showing too, like dial it back. If he would've dialed back. Some of these scenes. He would've had a much more successful movie. Yes.
Steve:Now had, oh, totally. Had I invited this insane, crazy person to live with me for some reason. I certainly would do my best to keep her out of the rest of society. But no, instead Molly invites Naomi backstage at the goddess, the Stardust casino, where she works to meet crystal Connors, the diva star of a casinos topless dance review. So how do we think Nomi handles this
Stephen:not well? Well, of course she handles it with grace and class and style. And I'm kidding. She acts like a feral beast again. Yes.
Steve:When Nomi tells crystal she dances at the cheetahs topless club, crystal derisively tells her that what she does is akin to prostitution. If you're
Stephen:at the cheetah, then I know it isn't dancing. You don't know shit. Yeah. And, and Nomi storms off.
Steve:Yeah. When Nomi's too upset to go to work that night, Molly takes her dancing at the crave club. Nomi is arrested after causing a fight involving James, a bouncer at the club that wanted to teach her to dance. James then bails her out of jail and she is not very kind about it all.
Stephen:Yeah. Like the whole thing. It, and you mentioned this when we were watching it is, she's not likable, like not at all at no point so far is the character of Nomi likable. The only thing that she has going for it is that it's Elizabeth Berkeley and everybody loves Jessie Spano. Yeah. So you're wanting to like Nomi because you like Elizabeth Berkeley. And it, yeah,
Ronnie:because the, in the Ingra, no, not at all. And the, in gratitude alone in that character, I was like, good gracious. Oh, oh,
Stephen:just can. I mean, oh yeah.
Steve:now I also thought it was funny. I mean, Howard, the duck. Yeah. I mean, my first big comparison to another movie when we saw Naomi watching crystal perform and was like mimicking the steps and everything. I'm like, oh, it's just like ally and burlesque. This is a bad version of burlesque.
Stephen:Right. But where ally was instantly likable. Yes. And also whenever she first meets crystal and everything and she mentions DEMA immediately with no provocation, other than crystal being a bitch. Naomi says, wouldn't it be great if one day she just fell down the stairs. That is the worst, most obvious foreshadowing ever. It comes out of nowhere. And immediately, your other thought is. what kind of person says that out loud of someone they just met? My God.
Steve:Yeah. And later on, she does it. Yeah. Now question is dancing at a topless club, the same as prostitution in this case,
Stephen:in this case? Yes, because okay, so they it's, our it's been proven that backstage, the girls have to blow Al if they want to keep their job. Yeah. Al is the manager of the club. You are pretty much required to do lap dances where you are to totally naked and Al whenever the new girl shows up, tells her you're gonna get, come on you. I mean, there, other than there's probably no penetration. This is definitely prostitution. Yes. Although I
Steve:it also sounds like party and play to me. I was like, sounds like Ronnie's weekends now
Ronnie:did that sounds like party and play to
me.
Stephen:And as like in real life, no, like we know that exotic dancers and things are a legitimate career and people are very talented at doing it and there's nothing wrong with a job. Just like there's actually nothing wrong with sex work, but they're making they're, they're trying to show the worst side of both in this movie. Yes. Now
Steve:was crystal rude for calling her a, basically a, a whore? Yes. Did it deserve that kind of reaction from someone again, who you're meeting for the first time and she's just like
Stephen:goes off? No, again, Nomi shows that like she's been living in the wild. And never around people. It, it, it's just not realistic.
Steve:I mean, and the, the only comparison that I made as we were going through it was that I was like, the only thing that would make sense at this point is if she was from like the foster system and like never learn how to people, cuz we had a feral animal yeah. Experience. And it, it was just simply because they, they didn't know how to operate in the real world, the way that normal people react and common courtesy and common sense and not resorting to being violent at an 11, the moment that anything goes wrong, I. That's the only way that this would make sense to me, cuz I mean, this person didn't clearly didn't grow up in like normal circumstances. No.
Ronnie:Well, I think later in the movie we do find out that she had, you know, bobbed around in foster care. I think they, they, they make mention of that later on. And I think you, Steve, Steven, you said it versus then Steve just now Ferrell describes her precisely.
Stephen:Yes. Yes. And she creates a scene because a guy told her she could use dance lessons, like to the point of kicking him in the balls. Yeah. And like getting people thrown out of the club and getting herself arrested, like why? And he gets drawn back to be like, I'll bail you out after kicking me in the balls and making me lose my. yeah. Who
Steve:would do that? I, again, just like, why are these people drawn to her and in love with her when she's just the worst person ever. Yeah. Now crystal also quickly becomes enthralled with Nomi and her boyfriend and her Zach visit cheetahs and requests, a lap dance from Nomi. Although Crystal's clearly attracted to Nomi and intu it, her request is clearly more on her desire to humiliate Nomi by proving she engages in sex work.
Stephen:Nomi reluctantly performs the lap dance after crystal offers$500 when the typicals usually 50. Yeah. And her boss Al forces her to accept the 500.
Steve:Yet James happens to be at the strip club and sneaks a peak at Nomi's lap dance. He visits her the next morning and tells her that what she's doing is no different than prostitution now.
Stephen:Like Nomi's private dance. is definitely one of the things that earned them. The NC 17 rating.
Steve:Yeah. So far up to this movie, I was like, okay, there's a lot of boobs. Like, but like, I was like, okay, this is rated R it was the first time that I was watching her naked, like gyrating on him until he came, then I'm like, okay. Yeah. I could see this being more than an R.
Stephen:Yeah. And in some of the other dancers you got glimpses of vagina. Yeah. And the pool scene later is another NC 17 rating, I believe.
Steve:Yes. And we'll certainly get into that. Cause I was very concerned about her. Now do you think that Crystal's drawn to know me more for her latent talent or for her personality? So, or like why is she drawn to wanna hate fuck
Stephen:so bad? So I think it's, it's a combination of a couple things. I think she sees a younger version of herself because. There's probably about a 15 year age difference at this point between the two of them, the two of them. And also she's probably lashing out all the things that men did to her at that age, crystal is now taking the alpha male role and she's doing it to those women because she's now found that she gets a perverse pleasure of humiliating young angenous. And I think that there is a sexual attraction, because as we're told later in the movie, Nomi's got heat. And so I think people are drawn to
Steve:her. Yeah. And we also get Crystal's iconic Coke bump off her long pinky nail. Yep. Which
Stephen:is one of the things that people remember from the movie is. Gina Ghan taking her extraordinarily long pinky nail and snorting Coke off of it. I hear
Ronnie:that
Steve:now again, where just confuse as to why all these people want, know me, including James,
Stephen:you have more natural talent when you dance in anyone I've ever seen, but you dance like you fuck it. Ain't right. You got too much talent to do it like that. And again, like I, so I think he sees her as a way out of odd jobs around Vegas from being a valet, being a band bouncer, because he wants to be a dancer choreographer. He wants to be able to create his own goddess yeah. At a, at a show. And he will use anyone that can help him. And that she's beautiful. Doesn't hurt, but we immediately see whenever she turns him down, he turns to another of the dancers that. Has the potential to help him. He like all these people that we see are just looking for a way to plow their way up the ladder. And they don't really care who they affect along the way.
Steve:Yeah. Now crystal arranges for no to audition for the chorus line of goddess, Tony MOS, the show's director humiliates, no me by asking her to play with and put ice on her nipples to make them hard.
Stephen:Again, Nomi overreacts and throws ice everywhere. And abruptly leaves the audition in a hissy fit.
Steve:Yes. No me, if
Ronnie:someone told, if someone told me to put my eyes on my NPP, I said, okay, I'm
Steve:sure you would
Stephen:raise your hand if your shot.
Ronnie:And then, Ooh, I got some nipples.
Stephen:Me and James have a brief flinging. Yeah. It quickly
Steve:ends when James gives the dance routine choreograph for Nomi to penny, a former coworker of Nomi's, who he later gets pregnant. Ugh.
Stephen:Have you ever had chemistry like with Nomi and crystal? There
Steve:was something in college after my first like real relationship ended where there was this guy who had like, no self-esteem and I had no self-esteem and we treated each other horribly, but like had amazing sex and it wasn't a relationship. It wasn't a friendship, it was nothing other than just like, we would just get together and treat each other like dirt. And it was really unhealthy but that's, it kind of reminded me of that whole thing with no mean crystal cuz like they don't seem to like each other, but they're drawn to each other and they can't stop themselves from just wanting to like fuck with the other one. What,
Stephen:what about you? So there was someone in the theater scene in Cincinnati who I did not get along with, but we had. Palpable chemistry. We recognized it and other people could feel it, but nothing ever happened because we disliked each other that much. Yeah. But it was one of those things where we could be next to each other and you're like, oh, I'm gonna have sex with him. But I hate him so much. Yes. Type of thing. What about
Steve:you Horace?
Ronnie:Oh, I don't care. if it's powerful, I'm getting ready to chew the butter. no, I'm telling you it's one. Person's unhealthy is another person's pleasure palace. And I say, go for it. If you can.
Stephen:Now once again, Nomi is awful. Yes.
Steve:Although in her defense this time James got himself fired. Like the first time at the, the bar or the club, definitely her fault this time, he was the one who went off on the, the valet supervisors. Yep. So he did it to himself
Stephen:and James wants to have sex that first night. And Nomi says, I'm on my period and he doesn't believe her and she goes fine. You can check. And he does. And he finds out she was telling the truth and it made me think of period sex period sex, put, put down a towel, pat, till it's dry period sex. Think of it as mother nature's juice cleanse.
Steve:Yeah. Gross. But thank you crazy. A girl fr girlfriend for forever changing period sex for us.
Ronnie:yes. It's a self cleansing hole, you know? Yes. Self cleansing hole.
Steve:Now after their almost hook up, we're almost like left to believe with the way the movie plays it. That James is the bad guy for hooking up with penny. But I'm like, he didn't. Oh, no me anything at that point? No. Okay. Not with the way that she treated him. He didn't, she didn't deserve better.
Stephen:No. And like, I think that the movie wants us to think of him that way and that Nomi is the wrong person so that we will be on Nomi's side, but I watch it. And I just think he's just like her they're doing what they can to get what they want.
Steve:Yes. And we also get on her first day on set her being proudly telling everyone that she's wearing vase and it ends up that was actually her Elizabeth Berkeley's call to miss NCE. Versai like that.
Stephen:Now, like the director of this movie, as I've said, is having her perform with no levels to her performance. It's all one note. For so much of the first half of the film, if not most of the film and like we know from saved by the Val and other things that she can do levels and it just, yeah. Keep coming back that the director wanted a very specific performance and you're watching the movie and you're like, oh, but Gina Ghan is so amazing. But if you actually look back at Gina G Sean's performance, her performance is all one note as well of the Southern seductress. And, but it works for her character, but he doesn't really give anybody any levels. James is the same throughout the whole movie. Zach, the only reason you get something different is that. A twist with his character at the end, but almost everybody else doesn't really have emotional or character growth. Just
Ronnie:Molly, just Molly. Yeah.
Steve:Poor Molly. Yeah. Now despite her outbursts, Naomi somehow gets the job and quits the cheetahs. She learns the dance and starts in the show that night, the dance captain gay, who warns Nomi to hold onto the rails as she comes down, the stairs, sets up a private rehearsal for her turns out it's with crystal,
Stephen:Ugh, the next day, the girls bond over their hatred of brown rice and vegetables, but their love of doggy chow. Yes. Which was so random. Yes. To put in the script. it, it like, you know, I guess it's, it's worse than dog food. Have you ever had dog food? Yeah. I used to love me some doggie chow. I love doggie chow too. Like why? Why?
Steve:No, I think it's, I think it was supposed to show how like white trash and poor they were. Yeah. But at the same time they didn't paint that connection. It wasn't like I've had
Stephen:to before. Yeah. I, when, yeah, they didn't have the line of, you know, sometimes when you can't afford a real meal, the only nutrients you can have are the well balanced thing of dog food.
Ronnie:Yeah. It would've taken it. Would've taken nothing just to throw that line or two in
Stephen:exactly. Did you ever try dog food? I have not, but you know, my family does the whole, I'll give you a dollar dare. Yeah. Barry ate a pepperoni once. And he almost threw up. Yeah, it's gross. It does not taste like pepperoni. No. And
Steve:dog biscuits just taste like, like dried unflavored bread. It was really gross. I remember when I was little, I tried a dog treat
Stephen:Uhhuh. What about you, Ronnie? Have you ever tried dog food or a dog treat?
Ronnie:Can't say that. I have, although one time I did see this guy on grinder and he wore a puppy dog mask or some sort of like dog mask and he wanted me to come over. I didn't go, but I think that might be similar.
Stephen:It's not,
Steve:it's a little different. Yeah. But okay. That that's a different kind of P play for a different podcast.
Stephen:Yep. Okay. And crystal further humiliates Nomi by suggesting she make a Goodwill appearance at the boat trade show, boats, boats, boats, which turns out to be a thinly disguised prostitution setup. Yes.
Steve:Now with all of the awkward situations these actresses were put in during the show and all the ridiculous humiliating things they were asked to do, apparently the only time that they got uncomfortable was during the backstage scenes with the monkeys, because the monkeys would constantly stare at their breasts. And
Stephen:also the weird scene put in there where the monkeys got loose, but Nomi is the one that's able to catch the monkey, which we're supposed to assume makes us because they're cousins makes us relate to Nomi that, oh, she's a good person. Just like somebody could be a dog whisperer. She must be a good person because animals relate to her. And I'm like, that was an unnecessary scene. Yeah.
Steve:And while she's going through the hiring process, she gets kind of sketchy with HR. I mean, at this point before we find out her story, like I kind of said, I was like, oh, she's like a messed up foster kid that probably like murdered people. Yeah. What did you think?
Stephen:I figured that she had probably Turn tricks, assaulted people that tried to stiffer for money. There were arrests, possibly murder. Mm-hmm What about you Hoz what did you think that she had in her past?
Ronnie:Well, just stereotyping and trying to paint this time intentionally with a very raw brush. You know, when the, when movie first started and it looks like she's coming from the Northern mountain estate or the Northwest somewhere through there, and we later learned it's like Wyoming, she had been in Wyoming somewhere like that. I was originally thinking she was very first before we saw some of the behavior and, and just, well, absolutely Aho behavior. I thought she was probably coming from one of those Mormon towns, you know, like agamous rat or maybe something like that. But they, I mean, again, painting with a broad brush here, typically those escapees and that's what they are. They're usually very well mannered. Very sweet. Very nice. And so that was that. That whole hypothesis was blown out of the water pretty quickly, but yeah, I mean, definitely from a hard
Steve:background. Yeah. Yeah. And do you agree with Crystal's comment that they're exactly alike.
Stephen:So I love that you and me were exactly a lack we're all horrors and in a way yes, because, and, and I don't know if horror is the exact right way, because it does give us different connotation. But I think that again, they could have been more direct and said, we're both poor. Yeah. And we came from poor backgrounds and we're willing to do what it takes to create a better life for ourself mm-hmm But instead of doing that, she tries to demean her.
Steve:Yeah. And I, I think that that's the one, like they're very similar to their personality types, but the difference is that crystal knows exactly who she is. Yep. Well know me seems to be trying to. think that she's the good G good guy in her story, which is she's not, no, not at all. I mean, under or, and also would you perform at boats, boats, boats for a
Stephen:thousand dollars? I would dance on top of a boat for a thousand dollars. I would not go home with a sleazy businessman who was like, Ooh, Caesar sings.
Steve:Yes.
Ronnie:No, I, why, why not? You did in college.
Steve:It was for more than
Stephen:a thousand. Yeah. And somebody had to, all those somebody had to pay for your education. Mm-hmm
Ronnie:and to pay for you.
Steve:after that experience, Zach makes the slim ball apologize to know me about boats, boats, boats, but it's clearly just an act. He even calls him afterwards. He's like you stupid fucker. Get back over
Stephen:here. Yeah. And it, like, at that point you were like, damnit, Zach's just as bad as the rest of them. And because you were thinking that, oh, you know, he's got, she has Molly on her side. She has Zach on her side. It's gonna be okay. But no, she really just has Molly. Who's kind of getting tired of her. Yes.
Steve:Undeterred Nomi sets out to get revenge against crystal and claim her mantle the dancer with the horrible kids, sabotages sabotages, crystals, understudy Annie with marbles on stage that makes Annie's male partner dropper. And Annie breaks her hip and is out of the show Nomi then seduces Zach who secures an audition for her to be Crystal's understudy, Nomi wins the role, but when crystal threatens legal action against the Stardust, the offers rescinded, oh, while this happens, Nome checks out James's performance with penny for, for reasons.
Stephen:I guess James has to quit dancing and work in a grocery store because he got penny pregnant. Should I just brought condoms? And it's in like, you know, this was a. A thrown in story. And I, I get what they're trying to say is, you know, you can be working towards your dreams, but sometimes life's gonna get in the way and you have to do what you have to do and sometimes give up your dreams. And again, it could have used a little more explanation because unless you're trying to think of the movie critically. Yeah. You're not gonna care.
Steve:Yes. I mean, mm-hmm, I was like, why is this here? And then next thing we know crystal tau Nomi on stage, and then Nomi pushes her down a flight of stairs, breaking her hip and replacing her as the show's lead. Although Nomi is finally secured the fame, she sought, she alien needs, Molly who realizes she pushed crystal down the stairs, the saboteur from before back's Nomi's story because no, and we didn't route her out and also hopes that Nomi will pick her as the understudy. And at that moment, Nomi realizes that girl would do the same to her just as she did to crystal. Oh, now she seduces Zach with pool sex, which in real life is never a fraction as hot or as easy as we see here. Would you agree
Stephen:it correct? Because water creates more friction and in a bad way. And in that regard and not to mention at the end where they're both close to climaxing, he's waterboarding her under the dolphin waterfall. I know
Steve:thoughts that the fuck am I watching? This is not safe. I am worried about her and it's not sexy. It's not sexy at all. I mean, Ronnie, were you turned on?
Ronnie:No, but I'm with you two on this one for once I have to admit it. I don't like water sucks. It's not my
Stephen:thing. Yeah. And like the whole, I like
Ronnie:snow sex. Yeah. Even at the edge of a volcano but I don't. And then there was once this one time there was during the monsoon, which was also quite different. Of course, sometimes the fields are on fire too during the revolution, but you know, anything but a pool. Yeah. I mean
Steve:a lot better than it is anything, but a
Stephen:but a pool. Yeah. And I mean, it starts off, well, like she takes off her clothes slowly emerges herself down into the pool. He comes out with the champagne glasses, he pours the champagne over head, licks it off a little bit
Steve:of underwater head, which again, I was like, Nope, not fun like that
Stephen:because you you're gonna choke. Yeah. And like, it's just, it was, it's kind of like my dad wrote a porno. Yeah. It's like that scene was written by people that have never actually had sex.
Steve:Yes. I could easily see it in the
Stephen:podcast. now after seeing like what's great about the movie though, is they don't show us the same. Seen in the goddess show each time they show us it's a different scene with different costumes, different dancing. Would you have seen this show in Vegas? Oh,
Steve:for sure. I love my boobies and my burlesque and
Stephen:all of that. And it, like, it looks entertaining. Like I'm not sure what the storyline is because at one point they're S and M bikers. And at another point they are angels prehistoric and crawled out of volcano and one point they're angels. So I don't get where it all goes, but it looks like between the costing and the dancing and the special effects that it would've been a hell of a show. Yes.
Steve:And when they're talking backstage, they end up like talking about doing her Nomi and her talent for doing nails and maybe doing crystals. Now, is it me, or is do my nails code for finger me, please. I
Stephen:think so. Okay. I mean, well, she goes, do you lack my nails? Not as just yours. Maybe you could do mine sometime. One second, thought I'm getting a little too old for the horror look.
Steve:She said, you knows how to push Nomi's buttons. So I
Stephen:said that before, one of my favorite things are when a and mama show up to see no me dance and they see her after the show. And as Al's walking away, he goes, must be weird. Not to have anybody come on. You like, that's weird. that's one of my favorite lines because he says. He says it in a way, like, don't you miss it type of thing. Like, it must be weird not to have that happen. Not you must be grateful that it doesn't happen. He's saying it as don't you miss it. Yeah. it makes me and you may not recognize her, but mama, we see later in every season of orange is the new black. Oh yes. I,
Steve:I can see that. Yeah. Now when Nomi had gotten the understudy, gay says, congratulations, I see you have many talents. So
Stephen:slut shaming is never cool, but what this feels Alere, it's never cool. Now
Ronnie:it was
Stephen:certainly cool then. Correct. But this feels uglier by gay than when crystal does it, when crystal does it, it seems like part of. Personality and character when gay does it, it was like, Ooh, that hurts.
Steve:Yeah. Now the hotel originally, we were thinking of other stars they could have gone after for the leading goddess, including name dropping Janet Jackson or Paula Abul. Could you have seen either of them agreeing to do this? No.
Stephen:Well, I love the name dropping neither one of them. 100%. Would've performed topless or bottomless in the show ever. And if either of them had any been, been anywhere near it, they would've redone the choreography. Yes,
Steve:totally. Now Molly later, rele and admits Nomi's or attends Nomi's opening night celebration at a posh hotel where she meets her idol, musician, Andrew Carver, and what can go wrong? Oh, wait a minute. Carver alerts, Molly to a room where he brutally beats her and leads his bodyguards in gang raping. Molly is hospitalized after the assault. Nomi wants to report the assault to the police, but Zach tells her the Stardust will bribe Molly with hush money to protect Carver, their future star performer,
Stephen:Zach then confronts Nomi about her sorted past her birth name is poly and she became a runaway and prostitute after her parents murder suicide, which that's a lot too. Yes. And she's been arrested several times for drug possession, prostitution and assault with a deadly weapon. My guess that knife that she loves to yeah. Bring out on everyone.
Steve:Yes. Zach blackmail know me by vowing to keep her past quiet. If she will not tell the police about the assault. When Zack learns what she used to charge as a hooker, he says that she undersold her abilities. So she spits on. He says it was a compliment. And I really think he truly thinks it was.
Stephen:Yeah, he definitely thinks it was a compliment, but we finally, I thought it was too we finally see that Zach is just as bad as everyone else, if not worse, because like crystal never pretends to be who she's not. Zach tries to portray himself as the nice guy, the good guy, the protector, the one that's gonna lift her up, but he cares about himself and the hotel and that's it.
Steve:Yeah. Now Molly's assault certainly takes this movie on a very dark turn. It was dark in an other way beforehand, but do you feel like this was a necessary part of the plot to move the story around?
Stephen:So it I Def I think it definitely shows the dark underbelly of Vegas because You know, I love Elvira and Cassandra Peterson and I read her book and she had not beaten, but whenever she was working, she had a situation where somebody that is quite famous now, mm-hmm, I won't name his name. She named it in the book. So you can read it if you want to that raped her and got away with it. And, you know, so I definitely think that it's a way to show that dark underbelly, but I think the resolution that we get to later on moves too quickly, like as the movie was two hours and eight minutes. Yeah, it needed about 20 more minutes, I think for some resolution. Oh God, because it feels, it feels like the last. 10 minutes, move so fast and come out of nowhere. Yeah.
Steve:It's like, okay. The movie's over now because you know well, before we get to that in regard to her past, do you agree with Nomi that she did what she had to do? Or do you think she's unwell? So
Stephen:as we've talked about with things without parental figures or guidance, she did what she had to do to survive. So I'm never gonna, you know, look down on somebody that had to do sex work, to survive and make sure that they can live because the system wasn't there to give them the support that they needed, but it also ends up causing her to think that her behavior and her actions are normal because there's no one there to tell her otherwise, or to pull her back. So by the time she gets to Vegas, she's already setting her personality. And that's not an excuse because she is still an awful person. Yeah. But I see how she got there.
Steve:I guess, I mean, I think that there must have been something wrong with her, from the get go. I doubt, like she allowed like a normal happy childhood until the murder suicide.
Stephen:Maybe she saw the murder
Steve:suicide. I know, but like, it must have been bad beforehand too. Like there must have been abuse in that home. Like she clearly has never seen what a normal, healthy relationship with anyone is like. Correct. Yeah.
Ronnie:But normal healthy. I mean, we're on the other end of the, the spectrum here. So her parents started in murder, suicide combo, right? Yeah. So we gotta be real here. We weren't dealing with good stalk from the get go yeah, yeah. You're right. I mean, this, this was Dale bread.
Steve:yes. Now unable to obtain justice for Molly without exposing her past the day old bred decides to take justice into her own hands. She gets Carr alone in his hotel room and beats him and kicks him severely. I
Stephen:do love that. She just uses her legs like Chung Lee from street fighter.
Steve:yeah, it was wild. She then pays two hospital visits, one demo, Molly to let her know that Carver's actions did not go unpunished and another crystal to apologize for entering her.
Stephen:Crystal admits that she pulled a similar stunt years ago. There's always someone younger and hungrier coming down the stairs after you darling
Steve:yet because her lawyer secured to her a nice large cash settlement, crystal forgives, no me and may exchange
Stephen:a kiss. Finally, a kiss that was probably the basis for the kiss between Sarah, Michelle Galler and and the other girl Selma and Selma Blair in cruel intentions because it had definitely similar vibes.
Steve:Yes. Now no me leave. Use Las Vegas and hitches a ride to Los Angeles. Coincidentally with the same driver who stole her possessions when she arrived. And the movie ends with her robbing him at knife point, not giving a fuck that the car is driving on the highway or for her safety or his safety or the safety of anyone around them.
Stephen:Yep. Now there's conversations to be had about didn't know me serve justice with Carver. So I think if she was leaving town anyway, she could have called the police, but in doing so there's the question. Would she have ruined Molly's hush money payout from the hotel because Mo and Mo the thing she wanted most was Molly to get away from these people. And she could have her own design studio and sell her own clothing. So could Molly have sued and won that, or was Molly better off getting the hush money payout? I don't know. With the way she's better to get the
Ronnie:money. Yeah. Because
Stephen:with the, and the money and rebuild your life, because people aren't going to believe, you know, they're gonna believe a superstar at that time, especially over a young woman. So she might not have gotten the money in a suit and this way, at least Molly can stop working for the casino and she can design dresses on her own.
Ronnie:Yeah. Yeah. This is 1995. There's no me too movement. They would've, they would've just bulldozed her and she would've ended up in the gutter this way. She gets a check. Yeah. Take that check to the bank girl. Yes.
Steve:Now was Rome was no me right. To flee town at this point.
Stephen:So I think she finally sees who she has become and she doesn't like it. She realizes that even though she got to the top, she doesn't wanna be this person. And so she feels that she has to leave town and start over that. There's no, I can be a better person in Vegas. From here on out. It's I know what Vegas is. I've gotten to the top, but I am also at the bottom and there's no way I can be a better version of myself playing by their rules here.
Steve:You're giving her so much credit in my love, so much credit. So, so much credit, much credit. I, I mean, why
Stephen:do you think she flees talent? No, I think she just
Steve:is like, well, I fucked this shit up. Let me go fuck it up somewhere else. And maybe it'll work out better, but I don't think she learned a single lesson. I think she's gonna do the exact same thing. Mm-hmm in Los Angeles for the never happened sequel. I don't think so. Oh yeah.
Stephen:I totally think that the sequel would've been so girls two Hollywood dreams. Yeah,
Steve:but I, I don't think she would've like left with any lessons or been any more of a normal human being in the sequel.
Stephen:now.
Ronnie:No, absolutely. No, I think, no, I think she, she she's just as wild and wooly. when she's leaving. As she was, when she was arriving, she's still feral. I think feral was spot on. And so she doesn't even realize that she's already at the top and she should probably enjoy it a little while that it behooves her to actually stay there for a while. No, no, no, she's too. She's just too primitive. She wouldn't even know. So like, like a, like a, a wandering animal, a beast in the field. She
Stephen:leaves now here's a beast. So here's a question for you. She was still living in Molly's trailer the whole time. Mm-hmm she was eating her food, eating well. Yep. And she was the headliner in a show for X number of times. Yeah. She obviously was gonna be able to leave town with money because she didn't have a car mm-hmm she wasn't other than, you know, Spending the$500 from the lap dance on the Versace dress. She wasn't, we didn't see her spending a lot of extra money. People were giving her things. So how much, like, do you believe she had any money as she was headed towards LA?
Steve:I think whatever she blew it on, she just didn't know how to handle her money. Yeah. She doesn't seem like the type to be like wise with any decision really, but like financially, no, she dropped it wherever she could and yeah,
Ronnie:she dropped it. She didn't have it. She lost it. She, she thought of it no more than she thought, oh, someone's gonna buy me French fries and I can throw those in the air or someone will pay me BA you know, bail me out of jail. I don't have to worry about just no thought, no thought no analysis, no logic, no critical thinking of any kind. And I
Stephen:love on her on her way outta the town. She passes her billboard and. you know, it, I I'm sure that they're trying again, that he's trying to say more things with a visual. And I just don't think that the director is as subtle as he thinks he is, because none of this was subtle. Like even in our discussions, we've been able to talk about different things we would add in or tone down that would've made this movie better. Now, you know what we would've changed probably would've made it loose its cult status, or maybe we would've actually made it into a good movie that would've stood the test of time because of what it was, who knows. But what do you both think your final thoughts on the movie?
Steve:I can say that I am glad that we watched it for this month.
Stephen:yes. I wouldn't have picked it for any month. That wasn't about camp. Yes.
Steve:Thank Evan for that. It's a, it's a good example of unintentional camp, cuz they clearly had no idea what they were making. No. And it happened, I, I survived it and to, to say that the movie made me happy would be an overstatement. I feel, but hopefully our discussion that I made the listeners happy.
Stephen:So I feel bad for Elizabeth Berkeley. Yes. In all this, because we know Kyle McLaughlin because
Ronnie:she tried to French braid her hair and it looked horrible when she did it in an updo. No. Is that
Stephen:why? No. Oh, okay. Kyle McLaughlin and Gina Ghan have had careers post this mm-hmm now Elizabeth Berkeley ended up finally getting a career again, but it was years before she was able to. like have steady work again. The thing, a lifetime movie. Well, the thing that actually got her working again was she created a website called ask Elizabeth where it was for, you know, teens and early 20 something girls that might have questions about, you know, what's going on with their life and growing up and, you know, puberty and teenage girls and things like that. And, and Paul no, but I think, I think she was able to come from a certain place and her book and the website actually helped a lot of people. I'm just glad that, you know, the news saved by the bell and things, and that it's enough time has passed. People are able to look at this differently now. And she's not being punished career wise anymore for this one movie. Yeah. Which is
Steve:good. She doesn't deserve that. And I love that this is in the saved by the bell universe.
Stephen:Yeah. Yeah. In the new, I mean, in the new saved by the bell series they had an episode where they kind of played off a summer that Jesse spent in Vegas and they had her do some of the dance moves, like with the hands in front of the face and sang Versace and stuff. And I also love that, you know, the writer of the show was like, Elizabeth is very protective of this movie. So we worked with her to come at it from a way where she didn't feel like she was being made fun of being made fun of, or knocking the movie. And, you know, I think it's great that she feels like love it or hate it. And all the things that happen. this is a movie and a performance that will be remembered forever. Yes. Yeah.
Ronnie:Yeah, because you can't unsee it. No, I mean, I have to say, you know, any movie that we've, that you've invited me for to review or discuss with you too. I, that I well, or any show or anything I've always enjoyed. In fact, to be honest, anytime either of you recommend something to me, I, I, I adore it and I love most things. I can find positive positivity and almost anything I see. Even if overall, I don't care for it. I can usually find at least a good chunk of it that I, that, you know, that made me smile or that I enjoyed. Yeah. This film is not one of them. I No, I'm afraid it. Isn't not at all. And I'm afraid I'd have to just put it in a. With Howard the duck and set it a flame
Steve:yes. Well, we would love to hear what you thought of not only the movie, but our discussion on it. Listeners, you can do that by emailing us at happy life, pod, gmail.com,
Stephen:or you can get in touch
Ronnie:us and he, you can pet my Howard, the duck.
Stephen:you, you and Howard the doc, I guess next year, when we do camp, we're gonna have to do Howard the doc and bring you back. Lord, save me. mm-hmm it's all your fault. Damn damn. And but you can get in touch with us on all the socials, whether that is Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or TikTok at happy life pod. Yes.
Steve:And thank you so much, ho for sticking around for another episode, whether you loved it or not, we love you.
Ronnie:I love you too. Thanks for having me guys. It's always fun. I do enjoy
Stephen:it. Yes. Even if it was this movie, it was a good time. Yes,
Steve:it was a marvelous time. Yes. And until next time everyone stay, stay happy.