The Steves welcome back Bridget to discuss the 2008 sequel, The Dark Knight, along with what's making them happy in pop culture today!
What's Making Us Happy?
The Batman Discussion
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
The Steves welcome back Bridget to discuss the 2008 sequel, The Dark Knight, along with what's making them happy in pop culture today!
What's Making Us Happy?
The Batman Discussion
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
Hello, returning happys and new listeners. This is Steve Ben Martin, and this is
Stephen:Steven Martin Bennett. And welcome to a lifetime of happiness.
Steve:The podcast where we take you on our journey through some of the movies shows in other bits of pop culture that are helping to keep us happy while hopefully bring a smile to your face along the way.
Stephen:And today we're celebrating sequel September by covering some sequels that we love and how they might even be better than the originals. And this week, it's all about Batman. The dark night.
Steve:Yes. And we, while it's not a Tim Batman movie, we couldn't cover a Batman movie without our dear friend of the pod. Frit. Thank you for coming back, Bridget. Oh
Bridget:my gosh. My pleasure. I'm so excited to be
Steve:here. Excellent. And why don't ladies first, what's been making you happy recently.
Bridget:so I what's been making me happy is only murders in the building. Mm-hmm that series has really just surprised me in a lot of different ways. I kind of season one was fantastic, but season two has even gotten better. So that's really been making me happy.
Steve:Excellent. I know you, my love started and finished season one and are about partially
Stephen:through I'm halfway through season two. Excellent.
Steve:But yes, you highly recommended it as
Stephen:well. I did. I it's one of those shows whether you like true crime podcast, murder mysteries, or a comedy, you can find something to enjoy in this show. Excellent.
Steve:And what's been making you happy, dear. Well,
Stephen:this weekend it's been all about the Nintendo switch and platoon three.
Steve:Yes, it certainly has.
Stephen:Yeah. I love platoon three. I love the platoon series in general. It's just, I love the colors. I love the characters, the stories, the fun. It's a good time. So if anybody out there has the Nintendo switch and you played and liked platoon one or two, three is a must
Steve:buy. Yes. And for those who are not familiar with the series, it is very much imagine if call of duty was done with cute little squid inks, and instead of the idea of killing each other was to just paint as much as you can around a turf for the turf war. That's kind of the gist of the game. So it's nice that it's kind of like a shooter, but it's all about painting everything. And it's like really creative and fun. And even if you've never played a platoon before, there's no reason not to start off with number three. Exactly. yes. And that was originally gonna be what was making me happy too. But then I had a sleeper lunch that I remember a game that I'd been wanting to play for a while. As soon as I heard it can, was being created, which was Disney's dream light valley on the NTEN switch as well as I believe on steam and PlayStation four and five mm-hmm it is a life management simulation in which you're building your own Disney village with all of your Disney pals.
Stephen:So it's like animal crossing, but with Disney
Steve:characters. Yes, it is. And I love my life management Sims. I love my harvest spoons, gimme like a, a story about someone who leaves their big life city behind to create a whole new life in a, off like a rural village and start farming and making friends. And then you throw in an IP like Disney characters and I haven't done with so much care and so much charm and so much style. I. I'm so happy that I found the game and it's an open beta, early access. So it's not a complete game yet. Mm-hmm but already there's a good 40 hours of content apparently in it. And I'm excited to blast through those 40 so I can get back to splatting with you. And,
Stephen:Did Ursula join your village? Yes.
Steve:Well, right now she's hanging out on the beach, but I did woo her over to my side and I'm gonna start making friends with her this evening. Fantastic.
Bridget:that game sounds amazing. It is. That
Steve:sounds fantastic. Yeah, it is adorable and right up my alley, something that's a little less cute though, is Batman Now this movie is the second of a trilogy, the dark night trilogy, and it's also the one that gets its namesake. But what happened previously and Batman begins in my love
Stephen:previously and Batman begins. Bruce Wayne who experiences the death of his parents at a very young age, relocates to Asia and trains with his mentors, Andre Dekar, and Ross Sal go in fighting injustice. He returns to a crime ridden Gotham and with the help of his old Butler and a state caretaker, Alfred, the CEO of Wayne enterprises applied science VIN division, Lucious Fox. He dons a new persona Batman to strike fear into the hearts of the criminals and the corrupt with the help of rising cop Gordon and the assistant district attorney. And Bruce's love interest. Rachel Daz, he's able to take down the mafia, Don Falcon and the twisted doctor drug dealer, Jonathan Crane, AKA the scarecrow with Roza Goul return with his evil plan to destroy Gotham by inducing fear into the hearts of the people. Batman must defeat his mentor once again. So as to bring peace to Gotham, Yeah,
Steve:and I really don't remember much of any of that. And this is interesting even case I went in with very few memories of this movie. I know that I've seen this trilogy before, cuz I feel like anyone that was, you know, of a certain age watched it, when it came out like this trilogy took the world by storm, it was big in a way that DC movies don't normally get. No. And yeah, this one I'm I was very excited to rewatch and just find the magic in, but why do you like the second one better than the first one?
Stephen:So it's a couple things. The recast of Rachel dolls to now be played by Maggie Gillen hall, who is mm-hmm an extraordinarily talented actress and brings so many levels to her performance really took the character of Rachel to a new level. And then, I mean you just have to acknowledge the brilliance. Of Heath Ledger's performance as the joker in this movie. Oh yeah.
Steve:It's absolutely one of a kind that the performance just like sends chills down my throat, like back not my throat does. And you know, my has chills
Bridget:and you know, what's interesting is I feel like this is one of those films that every time you rewatch it, like, I know for me, when we rewatched it together, I was picking up little, like more like how in depth he really carried this character and you're just picking up these little, like, even like how he puts his hands through his hair. It's like, he's so detailed in how he's developed this character and truly. It's just so amazing. Yes. And, and as much as I love the Tim Burton, Batman and Jack Nicholson's performance, Keith ledger owns the joker. I just, I really have to say that,
Steve:oh, I keep saying all the iterations. This is the one that like gets me there have
Stephen:been so many good jokers. My top three are this one, Jack Nicholson. And the original Caesar Romero from the sixties. Batman.
Steve:Yeah. Very different take on
Stephen:the joker. Very different take on the joker. Yeah. But like those three really defined the character for
Steve:generations. Yeah. And IDB summarizes. The movie is when the men is known as the joker Rex havoc and chaos on the people of Gotham. Batman must accept one of the greatest psychological and physical tests of his ability to fight injustice. and yeah, this is the one that I remember as the one with the joker. Yeah. And a lot of the other aspects and side plots, I forgot, but like nothing can have you, someone, even with my memory, forget the joker. No, this
Stephen:was and it's always interesting because when you think of Batman, you think of the joker. So it was, you know, whenever they did the Tim Burton, the first movie villain was the joker. And so this one, they almost expected Batman to begins to be the joker, but it was scarecrow, which is a Beier villain for him. And then Zaul who, most people don't know if you haven't read the comics. So to wait to bring out the joke or watch arrow to wait to bring out the joker until the second movie was definitely An interesting choice, but I also kind of think that maybe the Batman from Batman begins might not have been able to beat this joker.
Bridget:Yeah. I can see that. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I agree with you. Interesting.
Steve:Yeah. And this movie, as well as the whole trilogy is directed by Christopher Nolan and written by Nolan and David Esquire based on the DC character, Batman it stars.
Stephen:Christian bale is Bruce Wayne Batman with Michael Kane, Heath fledger Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart, Maggie Gillen hall and Morgan Freeman in supporting roles. I mean, that's an a list cast
Steve:right there. Yes. Now, I mean, of course, starting with Christian bale. Who's your favorite Batman? Is this your Batman? No,
Stephen:I actually, I don't know. I've always preferred Michael Keaton's Batman.
Bridget:Me too. I I'm gonna have to say it's such a close one. It is. I was thinking about this actually. Like why, why would I prefer one over the other? But I feel like Christian bale is a little bit more vulnerable. If that makes sense. Versus Michael Keaton, I felt like he seemed like, I feel like Christian bale plays a great Bruce Wayne and Michael Keaton plays the great Batman, if that makes sense.
Steve:Yeah. That makes sense. Mm-hmm I know that just like, as little as I remember the movie, like this was my defining Batman of like, I feel my generation. Oh yeah. But yeah. And then you also mentioned that your love for Maggie Gill hall in this role, any other breakouts for you bridge.
Bridget:Well, Gary Oldman, I mean, Gary Oldman is so, I mean, he almost distracts and kind of steals the scenes from the other characters in this film. Especially towards the end of the film. He is commanding his presence there. So I just, I'm a huge Gary Olympian. So I'm gonna claim Gordon is my FA too.
Steve:Excellent. And the movie was released by Warner brothers on July 18th, 2008, with a budget of 185 million and a box office of 1.0, zero 6 billion. Yeah.
Stephen:This movie came out the same summer as mama Mia mm-hmm and so, oh, wow. I remember seeing this by myself once, once with Brady and then once with mom and dad and also mama Mia once mama myself, once with Brady and once with mom and dad. And that was my summer because like, I, I, you know, I don't have an issue seeing movies repeatedly, but to see something in the theaters three times,
Steve:you have to really like it. Yeah. And this is one that I know a lot of my friends were like, seeing it again and again and again, mm-hmm and we can certainly see why. I mean, even though that opening sequence of the movie, oh the movie begins with a gang of men with clown masks breaking into the bank where the mob has a large portion of their money stashed. It begins with five clowns, each getting a cut of the spoils. They suggest that a six member of the gang nicknamed the joker, who did the planning, but set out of the robbery doesn't deserve a cut. As the robbery goes on, the clowns begin to kill each other in order to get a larger cut until a school bus crashes through the wall of the bank killing basically the last clown besides the driver who quickly gets shot too. Yep. Bank mobster security guard tells the remaining clown that he doesn't know who he's dealing with the clown knees down and tells the banker. I
Stephen:believe, whatever doesn't kill you makes you
Steve:stranger then removes his mask to reveal that he himself is the joker. The joker puts a grenade in the banker's mouth and boards, the bus leaving a court attached to the pin. The bus pulls out with all the banks' cash and the pin pops out. It's just a gas grenade. The joker joins a long line of school buses leaving the scene as the police arrive.
Stephen:So many thoughts on that opening scene, just from you know, the way that you see it happening, that it's getting narrowed down. Like, no, I I'm supposed to kill this person. Well, then I'm supposed to kill this person. And he goes, oh, what are you supposed to kill me? No, I'm supposed to kill the bus driver. What bus driver? And then the bus driver runs over the guy. Yeah. And it's all happening so fast. And it's so severe. and yeah. Like this, isn't your typical superhero movie. Yeah. Mm-hmm it feels immediately darker. Yeah.
Steve:And definitely does. And the
Bridget:pace never really stops. It's like that, that opening scene, you know, those first scenes it's like that pace never stops and it just continues. And it doesn't even feel like a two hour, two and a half hour film because it it's always just moving forward. It's such a fast pace.
Steve:Mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah. And I mean, just the, the opening camera pan, the music like jokers would be like, they drop the name joker. So anyone who watches the comics knows that the joker is finally here, but then to have him actually part of the robbery like that twist, I didn't see coming over first time and I really liked it. Oh.
Stephen:And you know, it, it is interesting that. The, you know, the clown prince of crime is there on the ground level doing the dirty work as well. Yeah. And that's the fun. Yeah. So, you know, it's a little bit different than some of the jokers we've seen in the past that send out their Hinchman to do these sort of things. Yeah.
Steve:Yeah. Now Gotham has then seen at night with criminals, afraid to commit crimes under the watchful sign of the bat signal, projected onto the clouds. We see Lieutenant James Gordon managing the bat signal, waiting for cap Batman with detective Anna Ramirez, who asks, if he's coming, Gordon explains that it's okay. If he's not hoping that he's busy elsewhere, he asks bat Ramirez, his mother who's in the hospital. And that definitely won't come into play later. Oh, shadowing Now would you wanna live in a city where a superhero like Batman guards, everyone you safe at night. So
Stephen:I know most people would be like, oh, sure. But no, because you don't wanna live in a city. That has so much crime that it needs a vigilante superhero. That's the issue like you're like, Ooh, Batman, that's exciting. Or Batman will protect us. Batman is one person can't be everywhere. And if there's enough crime for him to be needed, most likely you're gonna end up like Bruce's parents outside the theater. Oh
Steve:no,
Bridget:I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that a hundred percent. And also you know, it doesn't even look like fun to live in Gato no, which is not, unless you're rich, unless you, you know, you're living in the penthouse like Bruce Wayne is, but everybody else doesn't seem like it's so great. You know,
Stephen:agreed. And one of the things I liked about this scene was that Gordon just turning on the signal, stopped several crimes from happening just because the criminals were like, no, no, no. not tonight, not with that signal out there. And so I kind of like that the signal itself has that much power. Yeah.
Steve:Mm. Yeah. I would say that in recent memory, the only kind of superhero town or world that I would wanna live in is the, the earth that Dr. Strange and America Chavez visited in multiverse of madness. That was really cool and vibrant and techno and where everything was free, which is also amazing. So I would wanna live in that world if I had to live in a world with superheroes. Yeah. But yes, no, no Gotham
Stephen:for me. No. And I think that's a difference between where Batman is more of a street level. Yeah. Superhero and Dr. Stranges just happens to live in Manhattan. Yeah. I think that's the difference there is where Gotham needs Batman. Dr. Stranges just happens to live in New York.
Steve:Mm-hmm mm-hmm yes. Now, meanwhile, in a parking garage, the scarecrow still at large, after escaping Arkham asylum in the first movie is negotiating with the Russian mob members led by the Che chin over the sale of some of his fear inducing drugs. The sale is interrupted when some of them citizens trust as Batman wannabes begins shooting at the men as he gases one of the fake Batman with his mind altering drugs from his cuff, the scare crew nuts that they are not the real Batman, because he would never use a gun gun are bad kids.
Stephen:he use he, he will only use a gun that shoots a bat grappling hook.
Steve:Yes, a bat gun. One might say a bat gun. Suddenly the bat mobile Tumblr crashes through a barricade and scarecrow notes. That's more like it. The Batman pre-programmed or the bat mobile pre-program to loiter and then intimidate fires rockets into a nearby office, sending the remaining mobs running. The real Batman arrives on the scene and bends the rifle barrel of one of the w bees before knocking them out. The Chechen sends his rottweilers to attack Batman and poor doggies. Did you feel bad for the dogs? No,
Stephen:not really. This time. Because I was, I was wondering that in the like, Remy did not care for the dogs. No, he did
Steve:not. They were bad dogs. No as Batman saves them, he takes the dogs out after being badly bitten in the arm. The scarecrow attempts to flee in a white van, but Batman jumps onto the van and begins cutting into the side with his device called the Maner scarecrow swerves into a support which sends Batman to the ground. As scarecrow gets away down a spiraling passage away, Batman leaps under the roof's van, smashing it to a halt.
Stephen:Okay. I love that. That he's up there and he's waiting for the right time because he has to time his jump and his fall to land on the van, cuz it's going down the circular ramp of a parking garage. And just that. Okay. And I need to do it now and you just see him fall and he falls straight onto the van, crushing the roof, stopping the scarecrows getaway. It is awesome,
Steve:man. Yeah, such a great shot. Well, my call is super He leaves the fake Batman and the scarecrow along with some of the mobsters tied up together for the police to eventually round up. When one of the imposters says he's trying to help Batman harshly tells him he doesn't need any help.
Stephen:So I actually like the fact that, you know, you almost think, well, the scarecrow didn't get his just screen time in this because he's so quickly wrapped up. But it also, for me, makes you think the scarecrows still been active. Batman's still been working on it in between the two movies. Yeah. We don't know how much time has passed. And right, this is him. Finally getting him case closed. The audience doesn't have to wonder about it anymore and we could move on. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve:I mean, I, I think this was the perfect amount. I mean, the scarecrow I'm sure did a great job in the first one. I loved the scarecrow version that we see mm-hmm on Gotham mm-hmm as well. So, I mean, I like the villain, but I am glad that he didn't take up more scenery in this movie cuz Lord knows enough happens over the next two hours.
Stephen:Well, if you need, need more of him, you can wait for the dark night rises where he comes back
Steve:as a judge. Well, there we go. Now what really is the difference between Batman and the knockoffs?
Stephen:So the knockoffs are definitely out to kill mm-hmm they don't seem to care about that. They do think that they're trying to help protect the city. And so in that way, they are not different because neither one are deputized agents of the law. They're both people in masks trying to stop crime, which in this version of Batman, cuz as we noted, when we watched the 1963 Batman that they were, they were deputized agents of the law, working with the police force, this Batman as a vigilante, even though he and Gordon have an understanding, he's still not on the police force. He's still what he's doing is breaking the law. So both of these are breaking the law. Batman is more highly
Steve:trained. That's what I was gonna say. The knockoffs is like the training is the other thing is that you can't just go out into the street, dangerously attacking bad guys with no knowledge. I mean, these guys clearly like were shown later to kind of be like out of shape. Middle-aged white guys with like zero training that probably living their parents' basement.
Stephen:And they had gone to Dick's sporting goods and spray painted their stuff. Black.
Steve:Yeah, exactly. You know, that's right. When they're not Batman, you could find them wearing that same outfit at ComicCons. I mean, I think the training is the big thing that makes them different as well as the, like the money and the technology to be able to keep yourself safe with all of that tech
Stephen:stuff. Yeah. Like their hockey pads will probably help. Take a blow or take a hit from a bat or something, but those pads are not gonna save them from a gun or a knife.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Now Gordon arrives at the bank that joker held up earlier with Ramirez who shows him the Joker's picture from the security camera. Batman arrives to inspect the scene, noting that they have radiated the drug money to make it easier to trace. When Gordon asks him, if the joker is a threat, Batman informs him. He cannot worry about one man. When there was an entire mob to bring down, meanwhile, we're all yelling, take it seriously. Batman hits the mother F and joker. Yeah.
Stephen:That's one of those things where, you know, it's, the mob does a lot of crime in the city and if he got rid of the mob, he would be able to get rid of a lot of the danger. But now you have a super villain. Yeah. And that
Steve:ups the ante. It certainly does. And we'll see how that works out for him. The next day as Bruce Wayne, the stitches himself up from the dog bite Alfred offers his concerns, warning Bruce, to know his limits. Meanwhile, Bruce is like, I'm a superhero. I don't know my limits until the third act. After some emotional breakthroughs, he notices Bruce keeping a close watch on newly appointed district attorney, Harvey dent via the some computer screens as Bruce is trying to decide whether or not dent can be trusted. Alfred wonders. If he really is spying on that relationship that Rachel doz has developed with Harvey dent. And I think Alfred's right. I mean, it feels a little bit more like stalking your ex than it feels like checking out. Yes. The, you know, dent to see whether he's a good guy or not. So
Stephen:I think it's a little bit of both. I think that he probably started watching dent because of Rachel and then he realized what good Harvey was doing. And he remembers the promise from the first movie. If there ever comes a time where Batman is no longer needed, Rachel will be with him and oh yeah. And he's seeing, okay, so this guy that's with her, I can have two things happen. I can put all the pressure on to keep the city safe on him. And then I take my girl back from him. Mm-hmm so it's a, win-win all around.
Steve:Not very heroic way of thinking.
Stephen:That's why Batman is the dark knot. He's not a white Knight.
Steve:True. dent arrives in the court to join Rachel Daz in prosecuting mobster. Salor Morone the alleged new leader of the Falconi crime family. Mano Morones men take the fall in court and attempt to shoot dent from the witness. Stand the gun, doesn't go off and dent punches the man in the face before he haul him off to jail.
Stephen:It. So that was definitely some choices. Story wise and directory direction wise in that scene. Mm-hmm, where, you know, dent is able to punch him, grab the gun and then disassemble the gun. And it, like, I remember seeing it the first time going, Ooh, that's really cool. And then watching him back later, I'm like, that might be the only unbelievable part of the whole movie
Steve:yeah. Yeah. And going into it, that's a great point going into it the first time around. Did you know that he was going to turn into Two-Face?
Stephen:Yes, I know the name. Harvey
Steve:dent. Okay. I did not. So it was a surprise for me from the
Stephen:comics or the original four Batman movies in the eighties and nineties, we had Harvey, Denton Two-Face was in that. And then I also grew up with Batman, the animated series. Yeah.
Steve:And so you, you
Stephen:were on board. I was on board, so I, I already had an inkling of what was gonna happen now. I didn't think it was gonna happen in this movie. I kind of thought we're gonna get dim the hero, the whole movie leading up to the third, the third with two face.
Steve:Okay. Yes. Now Morone is eventually set free to the dismay of dent who meets Lieutenant Gordon. And after a short exchange of words, they both express their distrust. For those that are working in each other's offices, Harvey interrogates Gordon, over his involvement with the Batman and Harvey tells him that he wants to meet him. Gordon requests, search warrants for five banks that are believed to be holding the remainder of the mob's money, then agrees to back Gordon's search warrants, forming a tenuous trust with honest Gordon who in turn hail dent has got them's white Knight while dent questions, Gordon, about another nickname they had for him when he was at I a D a nickname Gordon claims to have no knowledge of which was Two-Face. Yeah, Harvey
Stephen:Two-Face and yeah, like, and they keep insinuating throughout the movie. Because in whenever dent was in internal affairs, he was looking into Gordon's people. Yeah. And there were some of them who like, he couldn't quite pin things on, but he knows aren't clean. So they keep bringing that up. That dent knows that Gordon surrounds himself by people. Gordon says he trusts, but by people dent says that he shouldn't trust. And again, for
Steve:shadow yes. Meanwhile, Lucious Fox holds a board meeting at Wayne enterprises and negotiating a joint venture with Lao, the head of Lao's security investments based in Hong Kong. After a meeting with Lao, Wayne expresses his reservations with Lu Fox about Lao's business operation, apparently illegal based on their profits
Stephen:because they were incre they had. 8% increase of profits year over year, with nothing to show for such stable growth.
Steve:Yes. After agreeing to cancel the deal, Wayne asks Fox for a new suit to help fight against the killer dogs of the world. He explains it needs to be lighter and faster in case he runs into any more puppies. Well, and
Stephen:I also love when they're talking and he goes will it protect me from a dog? It'll protect you from a cat Uhhuh. And I was like, that's, that's also something about their it's it's about Catwoman. Yes. Yeah. Who is my all time? Favorite back and villain. Yes. Uh,
Steve:Now speaking of a new outfit, I was expecting something like completely different. Yeah. But I re forget that Batman's look really stays consistent across all iterations.
Stephen:Mm-hmm it? Unless like, unless it's the sixties or a throwback thing to the sixties, It's very black. Yeah. Like whether sometimes you have the, like Michael Keaton had the gold yellow, yeah. And bloom. Yeah. But for a lot of'em they're like, oh no, all black is cooler. Yeah. But I mean,
Steve:even then just a small bit of color in the emblem, IST a huge variation compared to what we see nowadays with iron man or Spiderman. Right. Getting a new suit. Every single movie that's tripped out. Mm-hmm has different color variations. I mean, are, are you, is there something be said about the, the tried and true look of Batman in these movies? Or would you wanna see him try on a different look? no, I love,
Bridget:I think it's a great look. I mean, and it's so recognizable. So like, even if you're not a Batman fan and you see it, you know what it is. Yeah. You know, I don't know anybody who wouldn't know if they saw the costume, like that's Batman, you know, but I, I do wanna say, I feel like in dark night trilogy, this particular one, I feel like everything looks more militant, like more military vibe. Mm-hmm
Stephen:espec like the car. Yeah. Especially just, everything
Bridget:has more like, you know, where like, you know, with Michael Keaton or like, you know, the nineties Batman, it was like, it felt more like comic booky stuff, you know, like more animat animat. But this, just to me, just, I had more like of a military feel mm-hmm
Stephen:I dunno, which kind of makes sense since Lucius Fox was designing it and, you know, military contracts and you're
Steve:correct. Yeah. Yeah. That night. Absolutely. Harvey DS at with Rachel Harvey tells Rachel he had to make a reservation weeks earlier and even then needed to be exercised his influence to get a table at the very fashionable restaurant. Meanwhile, Bruce just strolls right in with his date, the prima ballerina for the Russian ballet, and they all decide to have dinner together, informing Harvey that Bruce owns the restaurant. Yep. at first, Bruce seems jealous and threatened by Harvey based on the fact that he's dating his own love interest, but Harvey explains how he supports the work of the Batman and appreciates its help. And like me, if there's anything that turns me on more, it's someone telling me how awesome I am. now, are you pro or anti vigilante?
Stephen:In real life, anti vigilante? Yes. Just because you see it nowadays with the proud boys. Or whenever there were those people out on the ranch in Washington or Wyoming or Montana or wherever it was that were holding themselves up against, they were saying they were against the government and they were doing it all this, and we don't need more people armed out there thinking that they can do better and know better. Like mm-hmm, it the real, world's not a comic book as much as sometimes I wish it were so that I could have mutant powers. But like, you know, in the real world we do not need vigilantes.
Steve:Yeah. I agree. Yeah. It's fun for fantasy. Yes. Now
Stephen:Harvey also says in the scene, the most important line in the entire movie, what you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. And Batman reiterates it later, but Harvey said it in this scene and again, oh, shadowing
Steve:Yeah. Meanwhile, all the top mob members are having a private meeting in a restaurant kitchen because of their inside sources in the police. They were aware that the bank that they're the banks, where their money were stashed were going to be searched. Allow appears to them on a TV monitor from his plane on his way back to Hong Kong, informing them that their money has already been moved to a single secure location. Just as Lieutenant Gordon and company are searching the banks, finding nothing about the radiated trace money. When the Chechen expresses concerns over the man with the clown makeup stealing 68 million from one of their banks, RO dismisses him is no nothing better, nobody. And that's when I start realizing. While the mob is bad. Maybe it's worth joining if 68 million just becomes nothing but nothing but a G thing.
Stephen:Oh, could you imagine what we could do with 68 million? Exactly.
Steve:The fact that people are like only it's only 68 million. It's fine. I'm just like okay. Maybe being in the mob. Like I think that if we started like the gay mob, the gay Maia in town, that'd be cool. I could be behind
Stephen:that. Yes. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not. Oh my gosh. I'm not pro vigilante, but I, I think I could get behind some pro mob pro LGBTQ organized. crime. I think that sounds nice.
Bridget:And they, and they shall fear
Steve:you. Yes.
Stephen:Yeah. Because, and they shall feel fear. You, you don't want to be dumped into the bay with a pair of cement
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Steve:Now the jokers enters the room suddenly
Stephen:after, okay. I have to interrupt here because this isn't one of my favorite scenes go for it. So the joker comes in and they're all like, what are you doing here? And you know, you're a clown, blah blah. And he goes, how about I, I do a magic trick for you. I'm gonna take this pencil and I'm gonna make it disappear. And he grabs the mobster's head. Pounds it onto the pencil. So the pencil goes into the guy's skull through his eye and goes TA and it's just so brutal and so brilliant. Yeah. And that is the one scene that always sticks out with me. That's where like, above all, I was like, this joker is
Steve:different. Yeah. Oh yeah. The scene that does that for me is when that means interrogating him later after his arrest. Mm that's. Like the one thing I remembered from this movie, like, but then this is a close second is a really good movie. Yeah. Now, wow. Now in that scene, jokers safety, so to speak was that he had grenade strapped him. Do you think they were real grenade's right to go off or was it just to kind of protect him, but he wouldn't actually put himself in that kind of danger?
Stephen:No, this joker, I think those were real. Yeah. Yeah. I, he didn't quite
Bridget:care about anything.
Stephen:and I also, he jokers says, you know, I have a plan, we kill the Batman and meone says, yeah, if it's so simple, why haven't you done it already? And jokers, like, if you're good at something, never do it
Steve:for free. That is good advice for everyone. Actually,
Stephen:mm-hmm and like, and he's gonna do it for half of the mob's money. So if we say that 68 million was stolen from one of the banks and that there are five more, and we say that there is roughly that much more at each of the banks. So we're talking about 350 million more, and joker says, he'll kill the Batman for 175 million of it. Hmm. That's a lot of money
Steve:that is a lot of money. And what, what do you think makes joker such a powerful villain in these movies? Hmm.
Bridget:I, I think because. He literally does not care about anything has no empathy. Like, and like you just said, Steven earlier, like you believe, yeah. He, he really would strap explosives to himself because he doesn't care. And I think that that's very powerful. He has nothing to lose. He, he, and oh, the scene about money. He doesn't even really care about money. He's not doing anything for money. He really doesn't care. I think
Stephen:that's super, he's an agent of, of chaos. Yes, exactly. And like whatever mental health issue that he's dealing with, he's doing everything because he enjoys it. Mm. And I think that, you know, somebody that's not motivated by money, they're not motivated by revenge. They're motivated, motivated by. the simple act of committing these things. That's somebody that's even scarier.
Steve:Yeah. It's certainly is now Harvey dent with Gordon lights, the bat signal to meet with Batman who appears as dent and Gordon blame one another for the monies disappearance due to leaks from the corrupted officers in another's department, they explain to the Batman that they need loud back realizing that Batman is under no one's jurisdiction. They want to make him talk and give up all the mob men's names, Batman agrees and disappears.
Stephen:And so it's one of those things where like, they know they need Lao to get all the other mobsters. They legally can't get Lao because China will not extradite them. You know, who can Batman can just go in and get him. And so they have to be willing to say, Publicly. We don't know how he got here, but privately know that they asked a vigilante to commit crimes, to commit kidnapping, to get the person they need to lock up all the other criminals.
Steve:Yeah.
Stephen:And so it's, you know, it's interesting. The white Knight is willing to bend the rules to get further greater. Good. Yeah. I
Steve:would say in a city that's dark though. Even the whitest of nights as in a little bit gray agreed now. Yeah. Fox shows Wayne his new suit. And to me I'm like, okay, looks the same. and Wayne begins planning an impromptu trip to Hong Kong. Fox will accompany him, making it look like he, the only reason for the visit was to cancel the negotiations with Laos company. And as they're getting all techy in the, the bat fortress, what's your favorite bat? Gadget of all time, Bridget.
Bridget:Oh Gosh, this is a hard one. Well, I, I was digging his, you know, towards the end of the movie, his what, what were they calling? So he could see through the building.
Steve:Oh, the sonar thing, the sonar was really the sonar
Bridget:thing. That was pretty cool. Yeah. I really dig that.
Stephen:And I also thought that was interesting where whenever Lucius was talking to him about it, he was like, yeah, it's sonar. Just like a submarine. Sure. And I was like, really? I thought you were gonna say like a bat, cause don't bat
Steve:have sonar. Yeah, that's right.
Bridget:You know what, why didn't he say that?
Stephen:and I probably chew on the nose and, well, I wonder if Lucius was going to say like a bat and Bruce was like, submarine. Yeah. And just jumped in there with that. What's your favorite bat gadget,
Steve:babe? Obviously the most useful in fighting villains. It's the bat shark shark. PTs spray. Yes, of course. Mine too. yes. And for more on that, listen, a couple months back to when we did the camp, 1960s Batman. Yes, Now gamble is playing pool with some of his associates until one of them informs him that a group of hoods have killed the joker and has the body, the body's brought in a covered bag. And as gamble is about to pay, the joker rises up and holds a knife to his face. While as men holds guns to his associate's heads, the joker tells a story about how he got his scars from his father and then kills gamble. He offers the three surviving associates, an opportunity to join his team, but he only has one opening. He leaves the three with a half broken pool sticks and no choice, but to fight each other for their lives.
Stephen:So this is interesting because it's the first time we get. do you want to know how I got these scars? And it's a different story every time.
Steve:Yes. And I forgot that this time and even, but like, what I think is so sinister is just how fucked up every, every story is. Oh, they're all
Stephen:so dark. Like this one was about his father. The one with Rachel dos is about his wife. Yeah. And they're all so dark, but you know, it always has the why so
Steve:serious. And that just slays me. I just chill. Let's put a smile in that face. No, thank you. That's not good. Sexy talk, babe.
Stephen:come on, babe. Let's put a smile
Steve:on your face. Now, if you were put in the situation like the, the three goons where you had to fight for your life, would you,
Stephen:I would Lance them with that broken tool queue faster than you could sing the ABCs
Steve:out. What about you, Bridget?
Bridget:My goodness. Yes, I would give it my all for sure.
Steve:Yeah. Now, meanwhile, Fox arrives in Hong Kong to meet with Lao. He checks in his mobile phone at the front desk, as there are no cell phones allowed on the premises. Fox meets with Lao and informs him of Wayne enterprises plans to cancel negotiations with his company, whoever he secretly keeps one cell phone in his pocket, which has been adapted to produce a sonar map of the surrounding area upon leaving the building. He does not pick up the phone. He dropped and he produces the map of the building to Bruce Wayne that night, the phone that Fox left at the front desk commits a high frequency that shuts down all the power in the building, that man crashes in through a window and allows and through a window in Lao's office. And after a vicious fight with some of his guards grabs LA and escapes by sending a balloon attached to a cable, to a plane, he has charted flying over Lao's building.
Stephen:So this was all really, really interesting. The. Fight was fine. The gadgets were more interesting. Mm-hmm the escape out. The window was even cooler. yeah, this was more about the gadgets in the scene for me than it was for the fight. Like even the gun that shot the black goo explosives that would blow out the window. Like that was cool.
Steve:Yeah. I mean it, yeah. Oh, go ahead. And
Bridget:I wanna, well, I was gonna say, as I was rewatching this film, I started thinking like, I bet you, that they had to spend more time with the stunt coordination and shooting the scenes and everything than actually writing the script because everything was so meticulous. And I mean, and with the photography, the cinematography and everything, it just yeah, I just felt like I'm like they had to have spent more time coordinating these shots.
Steve:Yeah,
Stephen:absolutely. I completely agree. Now, this is again, mob
Steve:plot. Yes mm-hmm And that, for me, at least isn't as strong as the joker or the two face
Stephen:plot. So I find it interesting in this one. And we see in the third movie and in the new Robert Pattons and Batman, that there are multiple a plots happening at the same time. Mm-hmm and like, even with the new one with penguin and the Ridler, like they are two totally different plot points that we're having to keep track of. And while this is a little intertwined overall they all fit under the umbrella of making Goum
Steve:safer. They do. Yeah. I just. The weaker of the three main plots, I would say for me, at least is the Mo blood. Yeah, but that's fine because it's over. Most of it's sooner here. Yep. Back in Gotham. Lao is interrogated by Rachel with dent and Gordon looking on Rachel presses him to give the money that Lao has taken, but LA will not give in. After she threatens to have him move to the county lockup, Lao tells her that he can give him the names of the mobs and their pooled investments, because
Stephen:he's very good at calculation
Steve:and then realizes that they will have the leverage they need in a Rico case of conspiracy to link all the mob members together. Gordon decides to keep Lao and is holding cell at the majors case unit building and LAA grease to cooperate with the police and give the names of the ma members. Gordon appears at Rooney's restaurant as the police arrest to arrest all the members in attendance, as all of the mob members that allow informed the police are rounded up for arraignment. Judge, Janet Creo finds a joker card in the middle of the stack of conviction. Papers then gives a televised impromptu interview denying Batman's involvement while expressing gratitude for the police work and bringing the mob members to justice.
Stephen:Okay. So I did have a problem with this scene. It's not like we hadn't heard about the joker by this point. Mm-hmm she is so blase about that card. Like I, that would've given me pause, like she just moves it out of the way and I'm like, girl, you know, you've seen the news about the bank heist. Do you know about the joker? Like you were being blase, you didn't get asked for help or anything. Like
Steve:mm-hmm you had it
Stephen:coming right. It wasn't. Yeah, totally. It wasn't until later, whenever they pulled the three DNA strands that that Gordon and everybody even knew that cerrillo would be a target, we knew ahead of time and she technically knew ahead of time and just ignored it didn't care. Ignored it.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can only imagine how many threats she gets on a daily basis working at Gotham as a judge though. I mean, but
Stephen:it made it right to her desk. Yeah,
Steve:yeah, yeah.
Stephen:Yeah. Dent, Gordon and commissioner low meet with the mayor to tell them about D rash indictment of the mob members will give the mayor clean streets for 18 months because while the higher level people can get out by paying bail, the ones that are actually on the street committing the crimes can't afford the bail. So that means all the thugs are staying in prison. Cleaner streets. The mayor informs dent that his brash actions will bring down the full might of Gotham's underworld and corrupt citizens solely upon him. When the mayor asks, if Dennis is ready to be the city's target, the dead body of a Batman, wanna be hanging by a new slams against the mayor's window. I jump every time because I always forget that it's about to happen. And the dead Batman has makeup on his face. Like the jokers complete with the sides of his mouth, sliced into his grin and with the joker card pin to him reading will the real Batman, please stand up, please stand up, please. Please stand up. that's a slim shady reference
Steve:face. Yes. slim Batman.
Stephen:Bruce and Alfred watch on the video tape is played in the news, the joker tormenting, the wannabe Batman before killing him. He then promises that until Batman takes off his masks and publicly shows everyone who he really is, people will die every day. So there's a lot to unpack here. Let's go back to crime stuff, crime stuff. Yeah. Is the 18 months worth it for clean streets? Like, so say you're dent and you now know that your life is going to be in danger. Was it worth it to get those 18 months of clean streets? Yes.
Steve:What do you think? Oh gosh,
Bridget:I guess, yes. But then I also feel like he, this guy was doomed, like doomed, no matter what, I really do feel like that. I mean, it's Gotham. Yeah. So
Stephen:yeah. Now would, if you were Batman. Would you reveal your identity to prevent further deaths? Or would you feel I'm Batman? I can stop him before any more deaths happen.
Steve:I probably, until the first actual death happened, I would be trying to stop him. But once people actually start dying, I would, I would give in and reveal my identity is there. And I'm also bad with secrets to begin with. So I don't really see myself being, I mean, a superhero
Stephen:I'm Steven
Steve:crap. I mean Backman. Yes. That's what I meant
Stephen:now at the promised Harvey dent fundraiser at Wayne's penthouses is getting underway, Rachel and a nervous dent arrive and mingle, and Wayne arrives with three models via helicopter and seeks out Harvey whom he applauds and throws his full support behind, because I believe in Harvey dent. Minutes later, Rachel meets with Bruce on the balcony, upset that Bruce is making fun of dent. But Bruce says that he truly believes in dent and that dent could be the white Knight that will allow him to hang up his cow as Batman. So they can be together. Dent joins them to thanks, Bruce and retrieves. Rachel,
Steve:do you believe in dent? I love how they call him the face of Gotham's future. And I'm like, well, one of the two
Stephen:This version of Harvey dent 100%, I believe in. Yeah, he is big picture thinking. He's really, he's not going after the low level guys, he's trying to make sure that the guns and the criminals are off the streets in a big way. So yeah, I believe in dent.
Steve:Me too. Yeah. And across all the different movies. Who do you shift Batman with the most Bridget.
Bridget:Ooh. All right. You're saying of all like
Stephen:every single Batman movie you've ever
Steve:seen. Who do you want him to be with the most? Oh,
Stephen:Catwoman. Michelle fifers. Catwoman.
Bridget:Oh gosh, no, I really like the Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.
Stephen:Ooh.
Steve:And now while I did
Stephen:I, I am a half a fan. And so I fully approve of that choice. Yes. But there's something about Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman and her Selena Kyle, her Catwoman got his Batman and her sele got his Bruce. Yeah. And I really think they could have been great for each other. Oh, yeah.
Bridget:Yeah. I mean, they definitely had better chemistry in that film, Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeiffer when they're at that gala and they're dancing, I feel like the chemistry in that scene, the Tim Burton Batman begins one or bat Mary turns. Yes. I would agree with you. I feel like their
Stephen:better, but I, I agree in general, like Vicky, Vail, I don't think was a good choice for him. No, um-mm Dr. Chase Meridian while I love my Nicole Kidman. Not really the right one. And it like this one, it's hard because he sees something in Rachel, but Rachel deserves better than him. Yeah.
Bridget:Yeah. And it, but I love that scene that you're talking about. That scene, I feel like we're seeing a super vulnerable side of Bruce Wayne. Like that he's looking at him. He's like, and then, and then you're gonna be with me. Right. And it's really kind of a beautiful scene because you're seeing such a vulnerable side of Bruce Wayne that almost like a scared little boy side of him, you know, that he's feeling like I don't want to be alone. I feel abandoned. And it's, it's really an, a beautiful scene.
Steve:Agreed. Yes. Mm-hmm meanwhile, Gordon discovers that there are three traces of DNA on the joker card, commissioner, Loeb, Harvey dent, and judge solo. The judge that's tying all the mob members and found the card among the paperwork. Gordon takes this as a threat on their lives and begins preparations to protect them in the case of judge and commissioner lobe. However, this fails the judge's car blows up. When the police arrive to take her into protective custody and commissioner lobe dies of severe poisoning from his liquor bottle before Gordon can stop him from drinking. and I just have to give them props of, like, I know that they're evil and everything, but this is like a brilliantly thought out master plan. And there's so many of them in this movie that I'm just like, how long do you think that joker took to plan all of this? Like, I must have been years because it just seems like it doesn't stop. Like it's the morning he's attacking. It's the afternoon he's attacking. It's the night there's attack. He's attacking. Like there's no time, that's safe. He's not sleeping.
Stephen:And I, my favorite part about this scene was the judge was like, where am I going? And they were like, we don't even know ma'am open up the envelope and they'll tell you where you're going. And she opens the envelope and it says up, yes. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh my God, that's so dark and brilliant. Yes. Yeah.
Steve:Dent then takes Rachel aside to ask her to marry him, but she's torn and cannot give him an answer. Bruce subdues, dent and locks him in a closet while Rachel watches in shock. Bruce tells Rachel that the joker and his goons have come for Harvey and to stay hidden from sight, the joker and his goons burst in telling the guests that they're tonight's entertainment. the joker scans the room to seek out Harvey dent. When Rachel steps forward, he grabs her and pulls a knife on her, telling her a different version of the story about how he got a scars claiming this time that it was his wife was scarred by low instruc. And he took the razor to himself to make her smile, but that she left him over it. I don't know why. I mean, Rachel kicks him away and he comes after her saying he likes a little fight in her when Batman shows up and sends him reeling a fight breaks out between Batman and the joker and goons, the goons are beating up on Batman pretty well, but then Batman gains the upper hand joker then grabs Rachel holds her at gunpoint while he like, he's like dangling her out the window. And he says, let go to which joker replies, very portraits of words and lets her fall. Batman dives out the window and saves are using as Cape to slow their fall as they crash into a roof of a car on the street and the joker apparently vanishes from the scene. Oh,
Stephen:so like raise your hands if you thought, for sure. Batman was going to use one of his bat grappling hooks or something to stop their fall.
Steve:It just seems like that would've
Stephen:been smarter. Oh yeah. But like, wow. He took the brunt of the fall with his armor. Like yeah. That means good job. Lucious Fox on the design of that armor. That's right. Because anybody else would've died from that fall. Yeah.
Steve:Yep. Absolutely. Now the next day, Wayne tries to figure out what the jokers after Alfred relates the story of when he was in Burma with his friend, attempting to nullify the local criminals by bribing them with Jules one thief, however, toss these bris away and continue to raid the local convoys. Bruce seems confused over this by behavior, but Alfred informs him that some men can't be reason with. They don't want anything in particular, they just want to watch the world burn. Yep. have you ever met someone like that?
Stephen:That just wants to watch the world burn? Not to that extent as the joker, but mm-hmm I think we've all met somebody that just is miserable. Yeah. And is okay with, you know, their chaotic negative energy and they just don't care.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah. I definitely know the type
Stephen:Now Batman is seen on the edge of a rooftop listening in to cell phone frequencies. When he overhear a plot against Harvey dent, Gordon rushes to the apartment with Ramirez and Batman to find two policemen murdered with the last names of Harvey and dent. Ramirez begins to blame Batman, but Gordon
Steve:cuts her. Saying you stupid bitch, you know, your place. I
Stephen:don't think that's what he said. Gordon seems like a feminist. I
Steve:know, but she gets she's mean later.
Stephen:Yes. As Batman removes a piece of the concrete wall that contains a bullet used in the murders and hopes of finding evidence, Gordon notes, the joker is left in advanced copy of tomorrow's newspaper indicating the death of the
Steve:mayor. Yes. And at Wayne enterprises, Fox meets with Wayne's accountant, Coleman, Reese who claims to know about certain problems with Wayne's funding and research and development claiming that Wayne has some sort of government project with cell phones for the army underway. He also uncovers Fox's design for the bat mobile Tumblr and tells Fox that he wants 10 million a year for the rest of his life to keep the secret. Fox smiles and says,
Stephen:let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world is a secret vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And you plan to blackmail. This person go the luck.
Steve:I, what would you do if you learned a superhero's identity?
Stephen:Become a superhero's best friend. Yeah,
Steve:exactly. That's right. Yeah. Side
Bridget:case. And I wouldn't tell anybody. I wouldn't tell anybody.
Steve:No, no listeners, if you are a superhero, feel free to confide in us at happy life pod@gmail.com, we will keep it a secret and we will support you.
Stephen:Now. Fox helps Wayne reconstruct the bullet, taken from the murder scene and produces a fingerprint. The whole thing is amazing. Watch the movie, watch this scene. It totally feels like one of the most fantastical things that they do in the entire movie, but it's impressive. and Fox is like, did you reassign R and D? And Bruce is like, yeah, I'm keeping it kind of close to the chest. And now he has the bullet's fingerprint to an owner that has an apartment looking over the funeral speeches for commissioner lobe. And he takes off on his motorcycle.
Steve:Yes. And as the ceremony continues on the street below Wayne inspects, a room where he believes the joker might be and finds several men tied up uhoh they tell Wayne that their guns and uniforms were stolen. Wayne inspects binoculars pointed out a blinded window. The window blind is connected to a timer. And as the timer reaches zero, the blinds quickly erase. And the police snipers positioned all around the area. Shoot in that.
Stephen:at the exact same time, cuz he was waiting for it. The joker who had removed his or who had removed his makeup or you know, in the other movies puts on like human colored makeup turns and takes a shot at the mayor. But Lieutenant Gordon dives in the way, getting shot in the back and falling everyone panics and runs. But the police shoot one member of the honor guard in the leg and haul into a truck, dent himself climbs in the truck. And upon inspecting the criminal sees that his name tag on his uniform says officer Rachel Daz, oh Maggie, Jill hall. He calls Rachel and informs her that she's been targeted and to get to the safest place she can, which in her case is Bruce's penthouse. He tells her he loves her and there is no answer from racial.
Steve:Yes. And as we mentioned before, I mean this movie is just nonstop action. But I mean with these plans, the joker has in place. Do you think he's a genius, insane, both or something else altogether?
Stephen:I almost think something else. I think that there's not a word for what this joker is.
Steve:It's just so sinister, but just so smart. Yeah. Yeah.
Stephen:And he is crazy, but yeah, like he sees the big picture and he sees the little details and it's really impressive. I don't know if we've ever had a bat villain that has pulled the strings and orchestrated stuff the way he has,
Steve:right? Yes. Now Gordon's, family's visited at home to confirm them of the death of Gordon at the funeral ceremony. Every time I forget that he faked his own death. Gordon's wife, Barbara shouts at an empty sky to Batman that he brought this craziness upon Gotham Gordon's young son catches a brief glimpse of Batman. Mournfully watching the scene now. I mean, thoughts on his alleged death? I mean, it was powerful.
Stephen:It was, it's very powerful. It's sad. This is definitely my favorite commissioner Gordon. Yeah. And
Steve:yours too bridge.
Bridget:Oh yeah. I, I remember watching that film for the first time and was just like, oh,
Stephen:you know,
Steve:yeah, yeah, yeah,
Bridget:yeah. Very
Stephen:powerful. Yeah. Now Batman is now bent on revenge and enters a club and grabs Moroni after beating on his men. And he interrogates Moroni on Joker's whereabouts and Morones. Like you should have taken me to a higher location. You can't kill me from here. And Batman's like, I hope so and drops it and Morone lands with his ankles and you can just see them break. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, and Morone has no idea where the joker is and joker has no friends and no one will give him up unlike Batman because unlike Batman who plead by certain rules, they all know he is not gonna kill anybody. mm-hmm joker has no rules to play by, and that's definitely a difference between these two.
Steve:For sure. Now, as dent is interrogating the captured so-called honor guard member about what he knows about the joker he's enraged and holds a gun, not to his head. He flips his father's lucky silver dollar for his life coming up heads. As he flips the coin. Again, Batman shows up and snatches the coin from midair, asking if dent really would leave a Thug's life up to chance to which dent replies. Not exactly cuz we know that it's a two-headed coin. Yep. He informs Harvey that the criminal Thomas Schiff is a paranoid schizophrenic patient from Aham that he won't learn anything from. He also tells Harvey that if anyone saw this unjust way of interrogating someone, all the good work that dents done for Gotham would be lost. He tells Harvey to hold a press conference the following day because he wants to use the opportunity to turn himself in. As Batman leaves, Harvey yells at him that he can't give in.
Stephen:oh, why do the good guys have to follow the rules when the villains don't
Steve:because that's what makes the good guys good guys. Exactly. That's right. Yes. And at this time we obviously know Batman won't come out, so to speak, but do you think he really planned to,
Stephen:so I think in that press conference, he was about to step forward
Steve:mm-hmm yeah. Yep. Agreed. We see.
Bridget:Yeah, because there's like a scene where they show his facial expression and then like, you kind of see this relief in a way too. Yeah.
Steve:Yeah. I mean, Bruce Reba is penthouse to find Rachel waiting. She tells him that turning him in will not stop the jokers murderous rampage. But Bruce says that enough blood's on his hands already. He reminds her that she promised they would be together. If, and when he hung up the mantle of Batman, she tells Bruce not to make her his only hope for a normal life. And they share a kiss. She tells Bruce that if he turns himself in as Batman, that the city will never let them be together. now, do you, do you buy their love story and do you feel like there is a way to be together for them?
Stephen:100%. I buy their love story. Mm-hmm as of right now, there is not a way for them to be together because the only, only way it would even be possible is if he would be able to give up being the Batman and the Batman no longer existed. Like what happens with Selena at the end of the third one?
Steve:Yeah. I would give up being Batman for you, babe. Thanks, Charlie. I'd give up
Stephen:being Batman for you.
Steve:I bet either of us would even give up being a Batman for you bridge if you asked us nicely.
Bridget:Oh, thank you. True story. Thank you. And I would, I would do
Steve:the same now back at Wayne's secret base of operation for Batman, he and Alfred begin destroying everything that might Ty Lucious Fox or Rachel to Batman. Alfred tries to talk Bruce out of it, asking him to endure these trying times and allow Batman to make the right choice that nobody else can for the good of the city. Bruce explains that Batman cannot endure the responsibility for innocence dying, especially where Rachel's concerned.
Stephen:Ugh. And then we get to that press conference. We were talking about where Harvey attempts to reason with the press and police not to give into fear that the joker is unleashed upon the city. And he agrees that Batman is a vigilante, but the people of Gotham should hold him accountable. Not given to the whims of the terrorist known as the joker. However, the people are overcome with fear, crying out no more dead, dead cops to applause indicating that Harvey will not be able to sway them upon his failure. Harvey announces that he's the Batman and gets handcuffed and taken away. And Bruce has shown with that confusion and relief on his face because he had like taken that step forward to announce that he was the Batman.
Steve:Yes. And like two things. Like, I mean, I guess I understand in hindsight why Harvey would do this because he ends up basically being the bait.
Stephen:Well, and I also think while Batman thinks that Harvey is the most important thing in the city, I think Harvey thinks Batman. Batman is the most important thing
Steve:in the city. Yes. They each need to love themselves a little bit more. now the other thing that just shocks me though, is like not a single thing was fact checked. Like, I mean, cuz he's clearly not Batman and like, they would've been like, okay, where's your base? I don't know what happened in the first movie. I don't know. Like,
Stephen:because you know that they would ask what happened in the first
Steve:minute. Yeah. But like, but you know what I mean? Like it like that that'd be just like me just randomly being just like. I am the president of the United States. Hey, like it's PR anybody can be president. I know, but, but it's like not a single person. Tried to fact check whether or not this name was Batman. They're like, okay, well he said he was it's good enough for me. Let's send him off to jail.
Stephen:so that's so true. Yeah. And Rachel's watching the press conference at the penthouse and confronts Albert Alfred over what she sees as Bruce's cowardice, allowing Harvey to take the fall. And Alfred explains to Rachel that Batman is instead allowing himself to become something besides a hero, mainly a figure outside of the system that people can both turn to or blame in times of need. And that Batman can take it. Rachel gives Alfred a letter for Bruce and tells him to give it to Bruce when the time is right. And that she had left it open so that Alfred could read it. So he would know what the time right time is. And she hugs him before departing to see Harvey is being transported to county lockup. And while being taken to a convoy, that'll transport him to county. Harvey explains to Rachel that this is the Batman's chance. He then pulls out a coin and says, heads. I go through with this and flips it, lands on heads. When Rachel tells him that he can't leave something like this to chance he tosses her the coin revealing that it's a two-headed coin during. And that's also how he got his first date with her was that two-headed coin. And during this transport, he's planning on getting attacked by the joker, and he is planning on Batman to come and save him and to capture the joke. And the convoy takes off.
Steve:Yes. And I mean, at this point, even I knew that he was two faced, not knowing the name, Harvey dent, because they just like the double headed coin. The two, the two face nickname, like I was like, yes, he's two face Now while transporting Harvey, the joker and some goons to start taking out the police cars in a large semi truck, he pulls that
Stephen:says slaughter is the best medicine
Steve:cause slaughter is, I mean, laughter with an access slaughter. Yes.
Stephen:He pulls out a grenade, launcher and begins firing at the armored truck carrying dent and the Tumblr arrives in attempts to stop the joker and is hit by one of the jokers. RPGs, his car takes a catastrophic damage and he's forced to eject into the super cool bat bike. And the, it deploys outta the front of the car and he chases down the joker and it's really cool how he does. And he fires these cables around the tires and he swings back and forth. And then he like takes the cables around the light poles and then there's enough tension. And then the truck flips over on itself, a whole 18 Wheeler and the joker pulls himself out of the truck, has his, you know, sub-machine gun and starts shooting at Batman. Who's speeding towards him on the bike. And you think you're like, is Batman gonna hit him? Is Batman gonna take him out? His joker gonna shoot him? And Batman starts screaming because he knows he can't run him over because he can't kill. And so he crashes his bike and Joker and his goon go over to him and the goon starts to take off the mask and the goons electrocuted, and the joker thinks that's hysterical. And just as he's about to shoot Batman, the driver of the convoy gets out and holds a gun to the Joker's head. And it's Jim Gordon who was never dead and is totally alive. And they've got the joker in custody case closed. Thanks for watching the movie. yeah,
Steve:stay tuned next week for another episode of wait. We're not done yet, but I can tell you from that how much you love the fight scene and Gordon's reveal was just awesome of here. Oh, I was
Stephen:really, really hurt that Gordon was dead. Yeah. So like to the first time to see. It was really exciting. I
Steve:bet. Yeah. And all I can say is that if you ever need to fake your own death, you better let me know where else I will kill you. deal. at Gordon's major crimes unit building. Gordon's promoted to commissioner by the mayor. The joker shares a cell with a large man who's complaining about his insides hurting. He told me he was
Stephen:gonna take all the bad stuff out and just put in light
Steve:commissioner Gordon. After reuniting with his family gets a call explaining that Harvey never made at home. He returns to prison to interrogate the joker. During the interrogation, Batman appears and starts beating on the joker, trying to find out where Harvey is. The joker gets under a Batman's skin, telling him they're both freaks and that when the people have got them no longer view him as necessity. They'll turn on. Batman becomes enraged and puts a chair under the door and beats the joker savagely. But the joker just laughs and finally tells Batman that there's nothing he can do to hurt him. And that he actually enjoys the beatings. That's some S and M stuff that I wasn't ready for.
Stephen:and that, like, this is also the scene where Batman's like, why do you want to kill me? I, I don't wanna kill you. What would I do without you go back to ripping off the mob killers? No, no, no, no, no. You, you complete me.
Steve:Yes. And do you agree with that? That like, they, there are two, two pardon? Stealing from two face, but there are two sides of the same coin.
Stephen:Oh. And like, oh yeah. I think as the movie has gone on joker realized that if he didn't before, I think once we got to this point, Joker's like, this is what I need. This is the fulfillment in my life is me versus him forever.
Steve:Yeah. And I mean, this is just one of the few parts that I really remembered watching from the first time. I mean, he, he ledger is completely like unrecognizable in this part. Oh. And just the, the nuances of performance, like the ticks, the way he looks his lips in between his words. Oh yeah. It's just chilling. Now that man, when he gets the choice of either saving dent or Rachel obviously chooses Rachel, but joker knew that, right. That's right. Absolutely
Stephen:joker. And because he says the way you dove out the window after I first I thought you were dent. Yeah. And so he knows that there's something there. Right. And so that's why. He gives him that address for Rachel. And you can see there's a pause in his head. Mm-hmm
Steve:yeah. Now Rachel and Harvey are able to talk to each other as they're tied up in their respective warehouses. And Harvey's telling Rachel it's. Okay. And Rachel tells Harvey, she wants to marry him throughout the process. Den tries to move his chair and ends up falling over and gasoline spills all over half of his face. Yep. Meanwhile, back at the jail, the joker tricks a cop and holds him hostage and he tells the other cops, he just wants his phone call upon getting a cell phone and dialing number. The large man that was in the cell with him blows up because joker cut him open and implanted a cell phone trigger device inside of him. The joker grabs loud and flees the jail. Batman. I just wanna know.
Bridget:Didn't the surgeon know like what he was clearly, he had a medical physician, you know, surgeon do this and I'm thinking didn't they wanna
Steve:convinced the
Stephen:joker. I think joker
Steve:did it himself. Some like ratchety busted ass surgery. Yeah. Like in, in a warehouse with no doctor, no antiseptic or disinfectant, 100%.
Stephen:I, I think joker, like, and when he is talking about, you know, he took it he said he would put the, take the bat outta me and put the light in. Like, I think he's talking about joker. Yeah.
Steve:Oh, okay. Wow. Batman arrives at the address. The trucker told him Rachel was at, but when he opens the door, he finds dent instead who screams in despair at having been found instead of Rachel Gordon arrives at the supposed location for dent, but the warehouse explodes and Rachel is killed. As Beman saves dent by carrying him out of the warehouse, the explosion ignites the gas that saturated dense face horribly burning it. Then just taken to Gotham general hospital, Batman visits, dent in the hospital and leaves him the two headed coin that they found at the site where Rachel died once though, the coin is still shiny while the other is scraped and burnt just like him.
Stephen:Oh, and this killed me. I had no idea they were going to kill Rachel off. Like that shocked the shit outta me when that happened. Yeah, me too. Like, and the only reason she died too. Is because Batman had the bat cycle and could get there faster while Gordon and his people were in cars and got stuck in traffic had to go up on the curb, but it didn't help them. And they were 40 seconds too late.
Steve:Yes. Now Alfred reads Rachel's letter. She explained she's going to Mary Harvey dent. And that when she told him she would be with him, when he no longer needed Batman, she meant it. However, she realizes that he'll always be Batman. And so she'll always be there as his friend, Bruce expresses to Alfred his devastation behind losing Rachel, and that he feels responsible for inspiring badness and death. He tells Alfred that she was going to wait for him. Alfred chooses not to give him the letter saying the time is not right. And that with Harvey dent hospitalized, it will be up to him alone to fight the crime in Gotham city. Meanwhile, Harvey wakes up in the hospital with large bandage over half of his face, fighting his now scarred two headed coin and screams out in anguish, over losing the one person he loved. And that brings us back to the whole idea of like, do vigilant user heroes actions, cause a ripple effect that creates more criminals and villains. Mm. Is there, you know, it seems like there's always more bad guys than good guys, no matter what the genre, but do you think that it's just Gotham was a shit city that then created Batman or because Batman is out there fighting evil, that evil is rallying and that makes more evil. Wow. That's, that's a tough
Bridget:one. Yeah. I, I really do believe that. And you know, you'll hear this a lot in various circles, but even in spirituality that like when somebody's light is bright it, it causes more darkness to wanna come in. So, you know, you hear that sometimes But I feel like it's duality. I mean, there's, there's always gonna be bad to show you that there's good. You know? So I definitely feel like because Batman, I felt like maybe the more power he had and the more they were cleaning up the streets that it probably does ignite more. People say like, well, he won't catch me or we can still, you know, he won't get me though or something. So maybe it does inspire more criminal
Stephen:activity. I also think that Gotham inspired Batman because Grover's corners is never going to inspire Batman. Like, and, but I do agree with you that once there is a Batman, you're going to see more things come out in the open because maybe some of these crimes were very, very hidden and the more he exposes, the more they become out there.
Steve:Yep. Now commissioner Gordon visits, dent, and tries to tell him how sorry he is for what transpired questioning, why dent refused skin, grafts and painkillers and how he can stand to be an unrelenting agony over his disfigurement. Harvey's filled with rage for Gordon, not listening to him when he warned Gordon, not to trust the corrupt officers that dent investigated during his time in internal affairs, which has resulted in deaths, dense disfigurement, and ultimately Rachel's death dent demands. Gordon tell him the nickname they had for him when he was an IA, which Gordon shame Lilly replies, Harvey to face while being forced to stare at the extensive burns and scar tissue that cover half of his face as Gordon leaves, an emotionally devastated Harvey. He runs into Morone and the hallway who tells him the joker has gone too far. And that if Gordon wants the clown, he knows where he'll be this afternoon, that afternoon again, when do these people sleep? I know I need a good solid eight hours a night. I can't imagine being a super villain or a superhero with that sleep schedule. Mm, yeah. Maybe that's why they're
Bridget:so crazy.
Stephen:Yeah. And everything just keeps happening so fast.
Steve:Yes. Yeah. Wayne's accountant re appears on a news show claiming to be ready to reveal who Batman is tells, got that he is going to reveal his identity, but before he can the joker calls in saying he doesn't want the lawyer to ruin his fun and that if the lawyer's not killed within the hour, he's going to blow up a hospital. The sugar is the police to rush and protect the lawyer and try to carry him to safety. At the same time. Other police are evacuating all the hospitals and got them city. Now, Reese, isn't the best character in the, the, in the movie, Morely speaking with his intentions to blackmail originally, would you kill Reese to save the hospital if your loved one was in it? Oh,
Stephen:even if my loved one wasn't in it, I think this is unfortunately, one of it's the trolley. Yeah. Would you paradox, you know, the life of one for the life of many and yeah, if you are on this trolley and you are told you have to kill Reese or this hospital full of children, babies, mm-hmm seniors and possibly your loved ones blows up. Mm-hmm you're gonna run over
Steve:Reese. Yes, I would too. Save you in my life. and, and to save you too, Bridget, and, but
Stephen:I also, oh, thank you. This is another example of the joker went from unmask yourself to don't unmask yourself. I want this to keep going. I want this to keep going.
Steve:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When they get to Gotham general or police officer attempts to evacuate a nurse in Harvey D's room, which turns out to be joker and he kills the cop, he then explains the Two-Face, how he needs to introduce a little anarchy and chaos, how easily it is to bring down all the good people in the world and how it's all fair. Joker unties two face and handsome a pistol, two face bent on revenge, and now believing everything in the world should be decided by chance flips the double headed coin to decide whether or not to shoot joker with joker. Agree is only fair though. We don't see the result. The coin obviously lands on the clean site since the next scene shows joker leaving Gotham general hospital with the most killer walk as it blows up in the background,
Stephen:I guess.
Steve:Yeah. One, one thing I noticed though, rewatching, this is like, I don't, they didn't show joker confirming whether or not someone killed Reese. Like what if someone did kill me within the hour?
Stephen:Well, I think what we, I acknowledge is that when Bruce ran his Lamborghini into that truck to stop it from hitting the thing mm-hmm at that point, the cops were able to keep Reese safe. Yes.
Steve:But like did joker check that who joker were probably there, whether or not Reese is alive? Was he gonna blow up the hospital
Stephen:one way or another? So that goes to his line in the hospital with dent where he says. do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am, I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one. If I caught it, you know,
Steve:I,
Stephen:I just do things like that is what this joker is like. So joker appears on TV again, forcing kidnap GCN reporter Mike Ingold to read out his plans. He says that Gotham city now belongs to the joker, starting that very evening. Anyone that doesn't want to be part of his game should leave now, but they're gonna have a hard time leaving by the bridges and the tunnels. He alludes to the fact that something big is going to happen that very night during which Two-Face enters a local bar where detective Wortz one of the dirty cops that had picked him up after the joker was captured, hangs out. And after questioning, he flips the coin, which lands on the bad side. And he kills words at the same time. Batman uses Fox's cell phone, sonar technology to turn every single cell phone and go him into a sonar device, giving him the opportunity to smile on everyone in Gotham. He calls Fox in and tells him to monitor the screens and give him an update on the Joker's location. Fox is absolutely appalled at this and that, you know, using the technology SP on the citizens of Gotham, but he reluctantly agrees to help stating that the machine must be destroyed after the joker is captured or he will resign. And Batman tells Fox to enter his name into the console when the mission is over.
Steve:Yeah. Now is this use of technology so unethical, if it is truly being controlled and used by good guys in the name of stopping crime?
Stephen:Yes. Because who decides who's the good guys? True. Yeah, because I mean, as part of the whole Patriot thing. You know, phone tapping with just calls was fine. Like it there's not, no one deserves that much power. Yes.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah. Two face continues to question mob members trying to uncover the identity of the dirty cop that kidnapped Rachel when confronting Morone and Marone's car, he learns that the other cop is Ramirez. He then flips the coin from Morone, which lands on the clean side. Lucky man, he remarks before he flips it again, it lands on the dirty side and he buckles his seat belts saying that the driver's not and shoots Moroney's driver causing the car Tove off their own and crash into the dock yards. Meanwhile, two large fares leave Gotham due to jokers threats. One is inhabited by criminals that Harvey and Gordon have put away. The other is packed with innocent citizens. The city's bridge, apparently being wired with explosives while sailing off the two boats, completely lose all power and their engines die. Both ships eventually realize there are explosive stream all about the boat and they both find detonators. So this time that the Joker's voice is heard over loud speakers on both fairies, informing them that they're part of a social experiment. The denar on each boat is set for the other one. One ferry must press the button, destroy the other boat by midnight or else joker destroys both boats. This brings about much chaos in both boats. Obviously, what would you do in this situation? Bridge hit.
Bridget:I love exactly what happened, which was nobody hit the
Stephen:turn, the keys. I, I, in this situation, I agree. It's not one for many. This is a one to one scenario. Yeah. And the, you, it would be hard pressed to convince me that one boat deserved to live over the other.
Bridget:Yep. And what I thought was interesting when I was rewatching this, I thought they were like, oh, you know, the non-criminals were like, oh, turn the key, turn the key. They don't deserve to live. And I'm thinking, but then that makes you the criminal mm-hmm yeah. That then you're no better than, or worse, you know, than the other boat. And, but what was great is they made the right decision to not turn it. And then what was so amazing is the criminals also made the decision to not turn
Stephen:the key. And the criminals were the first ones to make the decision and he tossed the de later out the window saying, that's what you should have done 15 minutes ago. Yeah. I
Bridget:love that scene so much,
Steve:so much. Do you think that in the real world, humanity would've been that nice,
Stephen:Back in 2006 or so when this came out? Absolutely. Maybe not
Steve:now. Yeah, not now
Stephen:at all. But where we were as a country back then, I think absolutely. They, we, we could have counted on people to do the right thing.
Steve:Yes. Now, speaking of the right thing, Fox finds the joker who's hold up in a building, still being constructed with many clown guards, Batman notifies Gordon at the location and speeds off towards the building. Meanwhile, two face forces are frightened Ramirez to call Gordon's family and tell his wife and children to meet her at the exact spot where Rachel was killed. They believe her because they trust her. Afterwards. Two face angered with Ramirez is please spare her life. For the sake of her sick mother, flips from Ramirez is life. The coin lands on heads. So he just knocks her out, telling her she lives to fight. Another day. As Gordon arrives at the building, where joker is, he gets a call from his family, telling him they are being held captive by Two-Face in the place where Rachel was killed. Gordon rushes to save his family. As Batman breaks into the building. After realizing that the clown guards are at the actual hostages and the doctor's hostages or the jokers goons, he beats down some SW members in order to prevent them from killing the clown guards and disables, the goons as he makes his way up to Joker's location. When he finally confronts the joker, the joker sends the Chechens Wailers after him. And while Batman fights them off the joker beats him brutally with a blunt metal object, and eventually throws him close to the edge of the building, trapping him under a metal beam. Meanwhile, as we discussed the rest of the people on the boats, decide not to blow each other up.
Stephen:It was an oh, so well done.
Steve:Yes. The joker. Yeah. On top of Batman while holding him down shows signs of disappointment. When neither of the Ferris passengers stoop to his level, as he's about to destroy both boats, Batman fires his gauntlet, darts at him, knocking the detonator out of his hands and throws him over the edge of the building before he hits the ground. However, Batman fires one of his grappling gun tools that him and saves him while hanging in front of Batman. The joker tells him that the two of them are Destin to fight forever. And how Batman really is incorruptible. The joker reveals him however that his real plan was to engineer the fall of Gotham's white night, Harvey dent. Since that would introduce more chaos, when a good man like dent is shown to sending into chaos and evil. Batman heads off to find Harvey while the SWAT team captures the joker. And do you agree that Batman's death versus dense downfall, like dense downfall does more harm for the city?
Stephen:100%? I do. Yes. Because somebody like the joker that we see has done all this, we expect like the joker says when there's a plan in place, you're not surprised by it. The someone called the joker that is robbed a bank decides to kill a bunch of people. People expect that that thing happens and it's awful, but you have Harvey dent who we believe in Harvey, dent kills a child, an innocent child. That's what's gonna break Goum.
Steve:Yeah. At 250, 52nd street, Gordon arrives to see two face holding his family hostage. Two face, knocks him to the ground and tells him that he's going to make him suffer just as he did, as he grabs his young son, Jimmy and prepares to flip the coin for his fate Batman arrives and tells him to stop and to blame the people responsible for Rachel's death. So then two face flips the coin for Batman, which lands on dirty scars side and two face shoots him. He then flips the coin for himself and it lands on the clean side. As he's flipping the coin for Gordon's son, he tells Gordon to lie to the boy and tell him that everything will be all right. Just like dent did to Rachel seconds before she was killed, Batman gets up and tackles him and they fall off the building together unseen by them. The coin lands on the clean side, Batman hands, Jimmy, up to Gordon as Batman himself falls to the ground next to two face who lies motionless.
Stephen:This was really tense because you know, they are hesitant to kill children in movies. Yeah. But you never know,
Steve:especially in this movie. Yeah. Yes. As Gordon climbs down to check on Batman, Batman, laments that in the end, the joker. By corrupting dent and turning him evil. He tore down the best of them. If Gotham were to find out about dense murders, then the symbol of hope and faith he had given Gotham would diminish. And all the prisoners he helped put back into jail would be let out thus creating chaos BA explains that Gotham can never find out about the murders and takes the blame on himself so that joker wouldn't win and the city's piece would remain mm-hmm Now, is this an example of a good cover up or do people deserve to know the truth about dent?
Stephen:No, this is a good cover up and he even has a line for it where he says sometimes the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded and think this is one of those times where it's okay to pin this on Batman because he can take it. Yeah.
Steve:Yes. Yep. Now we see a montage of commissioner Gordon and other members of the Gotham city police department gathered at the Memorial to Harvey dent. It is unclear whether he was killed or not. Gordon, then smashes the bat signal above the MCU building while Alfred burns Rachel's note and Lucia shuts down the Soner machine with a please look, Batman in the background continues to explain that by taking the blame of the killings, the faith that the people of Gotham had in Harvey dent could be rewarded and they feel justified. Batman then return runs from Gordon. As the cops begin to chase him. And Gordon tells his son that while Harvey dent was the hero Gotham needed. Batman's the hero that Gotham deserved. The bat signals destroyed, and a manhunt is issued for Batman. Batman gets on his bat pod and speeds away while Gordon declares. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark Knight,
Stephen:like the title of the movie.
Steve:Oh, fancy bet. Yeah. What are your final thoughts on the movie bridge? It.
Bridget:Well, I love it. I, I love Christopher Nolan and, and I just love how this trilogy just stands out from other Batman. Oh, for sure. Films you know, just really stands out. Yeah, just everything. I mean, the cinematography, the music is so haunting and I just feel like this, this particular film, I think we are, we're seeing, like I said, a, a different side to Batman in like a more vulnerable side to him. And then you kind of are feeling sorry for him. Like, he's just never gonna get out of this or like never get to where he really wants to be, which is you're starting to see that he wants to be more than Batman. Like he, he wants to kind of try to have a normal life and it's not gonna happen anytime soon.
Stephen:Mm-hmm and. This one is so tragic in terms yeah. Of all of the stories, but it's so well done and Bravo to Christopher on his casting because yes, all of these people carry their parts and flesh out their roles. So brilliantly, like it's an amazing cast. There are no weak players like it. You've got A-list people doing supporting roles and it's all so good. Yeah.
Bridget:He's brilliant at casting. I mean, for all of his films, but especially the Batman trilogy, but his Batman trilogy mm-hmm he really is amazing with casting.
Steve:Yeah. I think that this was an amazing movie. I would say the only thing I love more than this movie is our listeners. Oh, me too. So we would love to hear what you think of the movie. You can do that by reaching out to us on. all the socials at happy life pod that's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok.
Stephen:Or you can email us directly at happy life, pod, gmail.com.
Steve:Yes. And if you want more bridge in your life, you do a, a zoom meditation that anyone listening to join, right? I, yes. So yes. Yes. How would someone find that if they wanted to sign up.
Bridget:absolutely. So I am on the socials. I'm on TikTok. I'm on Facebook and I'm on Instagram at meditation with Brigid M and yes, I have virtual meditation offerings and living in the Sarasota area. I will be getting lots of in person offerings in October and yeah, reach out to me and finally, on Facebook, Bridget McMullin, intuitive meditation guide.
Steve:Excellent. Thank you so much, VI and thank you. Thank you listeners for turning into another episode. Stay tuned next week. As we dive into another sequel that makes us happy. Yes.
Stephen:And until next time everyone
Steve:stay, stay happy.