A Lifetime of Happiness: Movies, TV, and Video Games

Ouija: Origin of Evil

October 05, 2022 Steve Bennet-Martin, Stephen Martin-Bennet Season 1 Episode 139
A Lifetime of Happiness: Movies, TV, and Video Games
Ouija: Origin of Evil
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The Steve's discuss the horror sequel Ouija: Origin of Evil, along with what's making them happy in pop culture today!

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Steve:

Hello, returning Happys and new listeners. This is Steve Bennet-Martin. And this is Stephen

Stephen:

Martin-Bennet and welcome to a Lifetime of

Steve:

Happiness, the podcast where we take you on our journey through some of the movies, shows, and other bits of pop culture that are helping to keep us happy. While hopefully bring a smile to your face. Along the way, as friends,

Stephen:

we gathered, hearts are true spirits near. We call to you and today we're concluding Sequel September. In October. And we're doing it by covering some sequels that we love and how they might even be better than the original with one of the best examples. Oui, Origin of the Evil.

Steve:

Yes, and I'm excited to get into it because while we're wrapping up September a little bit late, thanks to Hurricane Ian, we are also kicking off October with a month full of horror movies. Yes.

Stephen:

And starting next week, we're gonna be hitting up some. Horror movies which you will absolutely enjoy. And if you have not seen them, this is an opportunity to see movies you should not

Steve:

miss. Yes. But before we get into that, my love, what's been making you happy? Well, before

Stephen:

the hurricane happened, it was my birthday.

Steve:

That was something that we went through. How was it

Stephen:

It was great. Until the hurricane.

Steve:

Yes. And then we survived the hurricane, which is also something that makes us happy. yes, we

are

Stephen:

all safe and sound. And the same can be said for our families. You know, hurricane damage and things like that, but nothing that can't be fixed or repair.

Steve:

Yes. And I got through it with the help of cyber punk 2077,

Stephen:

Which I cannot remember the name of. And in my head, I keep calling it Cyber Bully 2022. And I know that that's not right. It

Steve:

is not right. No, the game that came out, I think of two years ago now. I, when it came out, it was so glitchy and unplayable and there were dildos everywhere from what I hear. Dildos. Yeah. Like in the programming, like they make like an. Like that spawns like in like sex shops? Yeah. As like a DDA that you can buy as like a useless, common like kind of junk item. But like at first, for whatever reason, in the original code, before they patched it, they were everywhere. like everywhere you went, like office buildings, bathrooms, grandparents' bedrooms. Well that, that's okay. It is Okay. We support that. Yes. But there were just, yeah, it was apparently everywhere. So it's now been patched enough where it's considered playable and I've really been enjoying it so far, and the, it

Stephen:

looks beautiful.

Steve:

It is a beautiful game. And brings me right back to, you know, the last time that we actually played in a universe before. What do you mean? We did Net Runner together and that's part of Net Runner, the cyber punk universe. How funny.

Stephen:

Goodness gracious things you learn.

Steve:

Yes. But let's get into the movie. Why don't we? Yes.

Stephen:

Previously on Wei,

Steve:

mostly nothing matters because this movie is prequel. But the evil girl in the original is going after the teens, and her name was Del Doris. And her mother's spirit helps stop her from being summoned. Yes.

Stephen:

And even though this is a prequel, it is sort of a sequel and. it counts, and it certainly does.

Steve:

I actually found one of the more pro popular examples of this was Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, which,

Stephen:

you know what? It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized that the second Indiana Jones movie took place before the first, which is very interesting because Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and also Raiders of the Lost, a both deal with Christian artifacts. And then you have Temple of Doom in the middle with the special glowing rocks. And so it always did stick out, but Temple Doom was always my favorite. And then there's also the thing that came out in around 2011, 2012, is actually a prequel to the classic John Carpenters.

Steve:

Yes, and so this movie, Wii Origin of Evil is a 2016 American supernatural horror film directed, been edited by Mike Flanigan, Woohoo, Mike Flanigan, who also co-wrote alongside

Stephen:

Jeff Howard. We are huge Flanigan fans between. The haunting movies or miniseries on Netflix. Netflix, Midnight, Mass Hush. The Midnight Club on Netflix was just about to come out along with Dr. Sleep, which we did an episode on. So go back and check if you haven't listened to that one. Yes.

Steve:

And he did lots of personal touches to make it feel authentically of the time. Oh my gosh. One of which you can see in the post production includes the cigarette burns that appear every 20 minutes or so in the upper right corner of the. Which back in the day were used to signal a change of reels for film projectors, but the movie was shot digitally. There's just stuff that they did afterwards, which I think was a really nice touch.

Stephen:

Yeah, and it stars Elizabeth Reer as Alice and any Twilight fan. Would know her as Esma Collins from the Twilight Films. Mm-hmm. It also has Annise Baso as Lena Zander, Lulu Wilson as Doris and Henry Thomas', Father Tom Hogan. And you would know Henry Thomas because he, along with Elizabeth Reer are also. Frequent collaborators with Flanigan.

Steve:

Yes. It released October 21st, 2016, just in time for Halloween, and it made a box office of 81.7 million off of its nine to 12 million

Stephen:

budget. So it was an absolute hit.

Steve:

And that was the first one, which I remember getting it panned. Yeah. With credits. This one is actually the only one like with a certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And I

did

Stephen:

go back and watch the original again. Yeah. And. It was much better than I remembered it being. Yeah, the first time we watched it. But it's certainly not this. It's not this. This one is spectacular. And anyone that's a fan of horror, I would have you watch this movie.

Steve:

Yes. It opens with the old Universal logo from the sixties and seventies. Another

Stephen:

touch by Flanigan to kind of put you in the timeframe.

Steve:

Yes. And we find ourselves in Los Angeles in 1967,

Stephen:

Mr. Browning and his young daughter, Jenny. Kate Siegel, who is Mike Flanagan's wife, and the star of Hush and some of his other things. So it's a nice little cameo for her here. Yeah, she's extraordinarily talented. But back to the movie. So Browning and his daughter are at the home of Alice, Xander, a fortune teller. Alice gathers the family around the table for a seance. Mr. Brownie wants to speak to his deceased wife and ask her some questions. Jenny isn't convinced that it's real and thinks they're getting ripped. But when Browning asks about giving money to Jenny, something that supposedly represents his dead wife spirit creeps behind the curtain and lunges out towards them. Browning is totally frightened beyond belief, and he attempts to pay for Alice, but she declines out of guilt even though she did stop the daughter from scamming the father outta

Steve:

money. Yes. And we've had a seance experience or two ourselves,

Stephen:

haven't we? Yes, we have. We went to New Orleans for our five year anniversary. Mm-hmm. and we got remarried by a voodoo priestess. And we also took part in a proper seance with the candles and everything like that. And I'm absolutely a believer because. The first spirit they talked about was one that had been hanging around the shop all day, waiting for the people to arrive, and it turned out it was waiting for us, and it was my grandfather wanting me to pass along messages to his daughters, and it was very, very clear that it was him. There were no subtleties. She wasn't saying, Does anyone have an association with the letter S or anything like that? She fully described him to a. And things. And so I'm definitely a believer it was an incredible experience and I would do it again. Yeah.

Steve:

And in this case, the spirit isn't real. It's actually Alice's teenage daughter, Paulina, while her younger daughter Doris was hiding to create the effects of the candles blowing out using like a flicker switch underneath the table. They

Stephen:

had this bellows and she. Put the bellows on there and it would blow air up through the fake candles and knock them out one at a time. Mm-hmm. it, I mean, the thought that they put into this was fantastic. Yes. Now Alice scolds Lena for scaring Mr. Brown and costing them their pay, but Lena defends her actions because she thought Jenny was a. Alice agrees. So

Steve:

do we. Yeah, and I, I'd still charge them though, as a salesperson. Like you still help them. You still provided a service. So what he wet His depends. Good to go. He's not that old. Yes. So, yeah. But do you think that they're scam artists or is Alice right that they're healing people?

Stephen:

So there's a great quote about that where Alice says, A scam is a lie. We don't lie. We help. We give them closure, we give them peace, we heal their hearts. And that's not something that can happen without some showmanship. We tell them the truth. We just need to help them believe it. So no, Alice isn't doing this to rip people off. Mm-hmm. she, she's not doing it from a malicious nature. I really do think that even though what she's doing, maybe show. She's doing it for the right

Steve:

reasons. Yeah, I agree. And I can imagine, especially back then, like a widowed woman at such a young age only has so many options in terms of supporting her family.

Stephen:

Right. And at that point, she would've already, because most likely she would've been born in the late forties. And she may not have had an opportunity to go to school, so now like past high school. So now you have a housewife of the time who isn't trained in anything else and still has to try to find a way to provide for her family.

Steve:

Yes. And later that night, after Alice and Doris pray together, Lena sneaks out to her, go to her friend Ellie's. The two of them, along with Lena's boyfriend, Mikey and other friend Betty, play with a OUI board. They try to contact a spirit, which creeps the hell out of Betty. Ellie's mom bursts through the door making the girl scream, especially Betty Scream, just, which goes on and on. Yeah, Alice later picks up. Lena upset with her. So where do you stand on oui boards today? Cuz the man that I married would never, ever have any form of any oui board anywhere near him, especially underneath the roof

Stephen:

And I still mostly feel that way just because, and I, and I think it was from being uneducated on things that I was like, No, that's some dark stuff that we don't want to open. And then doing the seance. And then Funny enough, I bought myself this board to use with a pendulum for guidance when talking to your spirit guides. Yeah. And it finally clicked. That's exactly what a OUI board is too. And I'm like, damnit, I did it to myself. So if we ever did get a real OUI board though, I would want to get one on Etsy that was made of wood and stuff. Yeah. I don't want a cardboard one. Yeah, I want like a real good one. Yeah. And

Steve:

even though it wasn't in the original like Mattel instructions. Yeah, Though the Wei board does come in this movie with rules never play alone, never play in the graveyard, and always say goodbye. Okay. And throughout the movie, they break all three of them. Yeah.

Stephen:

Now, did you ever sneak out at night like Lena did I

Steve:

didn't try and sneak out at night. Like once I was in, my parents had that shit locked down like Fort Knox, like there was no go. Like I would go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and I'd hear down the hallway. Where are you going? Where are you going? Yeah, and like, I'm going pee. And it just, I was not that type of household. But I do remember as I got older and like pasted high school, like in college, coming back from breaks, at first my parents tried having me live with them again. Yeah. And we tried that for a couple nights where I would try and sneak in and it's even that, it wasn't even that I was sneaking in past my curfew, it's just I was sneaking in past the time that they went to. and like that experience of like, I definitely had that experience of trying to like tip toe around the house, like putting my keys and everything quietly. But I was still like following the rules home by curfew. Yeah. Most of the time. Give or take five minutes, but it was still like sneaking just to not wake up the whole house. So you know

Stephen:

how dad can fall asleep anywhere at any time. Yeah. But he also. While he can fall asleep easily is the lightest sleeper because the moment we say something around him while he's asleep, that peaks his interest. He can jump right into the conversation and I'm like, Yeah, you were totally asleep. So there was also no sneaking out in our house. He would've heard it. Mm-hmm.

Steve:

Now while the girls are at school, Alice goes to find a oui board of her own after Lena suggests it could be good for. after school. Alex, Alice gets hot watching Father Tom protect her daughter. We also learn has a dead

Stephen:

wife, you know, Bravo to Father Tom for stopping the kids from bullying Doris for being weird at school because sometimes with Catholic schools and things, when they're portrayed in movies, the weird girl is who gets punished, not the bullies. Yes,

Steve:

I, I did like that and appreciate it as people who were bullied ourselves certain least in my case. Yeah. At night. At night, Alice uses the board and unknowingly makes contact with a spirit named Marcus who speaks through Doris, who is upstairs, not down with the board. They don't, It's even creepier. Yeah. Doris responds to Alice's questions, to Lean's confusion, who's like, thinks she's just talking to herself in the corner.

Stephen:

Yeah. This was really good camera and editing work because while Alice is downstairs and she's using the board and it's moving around to talk, you have. Lena upstairs, or Doris upstairs who is in the room with Lena and Doris is answering out loud what the board is saying. And Lena's just looking her like, What are you doing? Yeah, definitely creepy. Yeah, it was a really good mixture so that you know that there's something special with Doris.

Steve:

Yes. Alice tries to use the we g board for real, to contact her dead husband by asking if he was there. It's only after she leaves that it moves on its own to know. Doris sees this and uses the WE G Board on her own in hopes of contacting her dead Father, Roger,

Stephen:

breaking the first rule, Never play by yourself.

Steve:

Later, a spirit pulls the sheets off Leno while she slept.

Stephen:

Ugh, and like ever since. Oh, what was the movies from the mid to late two thousands? It's all done with video cameras and it's about being haunted in their houses. paranormal activity. Activity. Yeah. Yeah. And whenever they're just sleeping and all of a sudden the sheets are pulled off them. Yeah. That still gets you

Steve:

every time. Yeah, Every time. And you see that throughout, it's like a trope of things that you see. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Now like we mentioned, it's breaking the rules. Yeah. Now also, everyone at first just assumes that she has an imaginary friend. Yeah. Did you ever have an imaginary friend?

Stephen:

So I had a neighbor girl named Jill. Yeah. Who had an imaginary friend, and I was jealous that she had an imaginary friend. So I tried to create, And, but I couldn't even get myself to believe it was real. And

Steve:

so that's exactly the same thing that happened to me. I remember pretending that I had an imaginary friend for like a couple days with my like family and friends and like trying to make up stuff, but I was like, This is so

Stephen:

stupid. Yeah. Like we were playing a game and like she and her imaginary friend were like doing something and so I created an imaginary friend and named her after my cousin. But like half an hour into the game, I was like, I'm working too hard at this. It's not fun.

Steve:

Yeah. At all.

Stephen:

Yeah. Now, do you think that whenever Doris broke the rules by playing by by herself, that this led to all the actions later in the movie? Could be, Do you believe that the rules are real?

Steve:

I don't, because I know that they were written. Movie. They absolutely

Stephen:

were written for the movie. Yeah. Oh, whenever you were saying they weren't included with the game, I thought like back then, but they are now. I didn't realize they were written for the movie. Yeah. Oh, cuz I totally like the whole don't play in a graveyard thing. I'm like, that makes

Steve:

sense. It does make sense. I mean, it's well written, but I'm pretty sure, I mean, listeners add us if I'm wrong. Yeah. But like, I remember reading in the research for this at least that like that was a big thing where they like, they made rules. To be broken, but they weren't part of like the original rule set. Interesting.

Stephen:

Yes. now at school, Father Tom calls Allison to review Doris's homework because it's all written in cursive, despite no one having any knowledge of Doris, of a, having to learn how to write in cursive, and she goes, Will I let her use my

Steve:

hand? Creepy. Yeah. And cursive gross. I am so glad that I lived during the time when Cursive died.

Stephen:

See, I, we, they handwriting was a class that we were graded on until, and I did Horrible Me too, until I was in sixth grade and I always got bees and handwriting no matter how hard I tried until finally second semester of my sixth grade. I got an A. Mm-hmm. And like that began my run of having straight A's, once I finally mastered cursive. Yeah.

Steve:

Now Allison, the girls returned home to find a notice of foreclosure on their door. While Allison, Lena discussed the issue, Doris asked the we g board for help and returns with the pouch full of money. She claims her dad, Roger told her about

Stephen:

She serves her mom and sister, a space in a basement wall that contains the. Later Doris shows Alice and Lena how she communicated with Roger to their astonishment, the Planche moves on its own. When Alice asked the spirit where Roger was when she told him that she was pregnant with Lena, the Planche moves around to spell shower. When Alice asked if Rogers really there, it moves to yes. Mm-hmm. and the girls look through the plants at Lens to see if they can spot. But Lena is too freaked out to keep looking. Yeah.

Steve:

And like, let's say this was real and you could choose to you channel or talk with who living or not living, but like who deceased would you wanna talk with? Mine's obviously my Grammy. Yeah. And

Stephen:

I don't know if it would be any family member because I, I don't know. I, I feel like they've all passed on and so a celebrity Yeah. I, that's kind of like, I was like, I wanna talk to Marilyn and find out what happened, because I kind of don't think that she killed herself with pills.

Steve:

Yes. Coming next fall. Steve's conspiracy theory podcast. No, just

Stephen:

kidding. Steve uses his spirit board to talk to celebrities. You'll hear it here first as we uncover. Yeah. Centuries old mysteries and bolin. Did she really do what Henry said? Find out next fall.

Steve:

Yes. Now Alice starts to keep Doris home from school to work with her. Cuz who needs an education Exactly. Using the oui, where they begin generating more business as customers are convinced with do speaking invoices that are in hers. And answering questions only just deceased would know that she's. Doris later starts to experience a pain in the back of her neck, and after Lena gives her medicine, Doris looks through the plant, chat in the mirror and see's a tall black spirit with its mouth sew shut, holding onto

Stephen:

the back of

Steve:

her neck. Yes. Dora screams in the spirit, sticks its arm down her mouth as it possesses her

Stephen:

because that's exactly what happens. But that moment that she looked through and you see it like you see it holding onto her. Yeah. That was so creepy. And well, it

Steve:

was, and like as it basically like entered her through her mouth. Yeah. It was just gross and cool. So

Stephen:

obviously this was coming, but was it this evil entity from the beginning that was charming? or was she, do you think she was legit channeling people like Roger who had passed on until she found the entity along the way?

Steve:

I would like to think that she did create genuine connections for a few of those people and while doing that, like you become open, the more you do it, I can imagine to that kind of possibility of it happening and eventually she found that, that someone just a hitchhiker,

Stephen:

See, I think it was. the Demonn all along, and it had been living there since it was the Nazi torture house. Yeah. And so it was around and saw the conversation happen in the shower and it saw the money being hidden

Steve:

along. Oh yeah, they did say that later. Well, I like to think of it different, but that's what happened. Canon logically.

Stephen:

Okay. Alice truly believe that now the doors can communicate with spirits, that they can truly help people. Her mother was intuitive and Alice always thought I was a scam, growing. But now she's a believer and thinks that the power may have skipped a generation. Do you think Al Doris is more intuitive? You know? Oh, for sure. And that's why the

Steve:

spirit latched on. I think kids in general are more susceptible than adults, but especially like her just, it was just like she was cat nipped for it. Yeah. I

Stephen:

kind of think that's exactly the same way.

Steve:

Yes. Possessed Doris begins to torment her dear sister, Lena. First by Whispering Sweet. Nothing's in her ear at night.

Stephen:

Oh, the Demonn whispers in her ear are

Steve:

so creepy. I know. And then making her imagine her mouth, so sewing itself shot. The next day at school, two boys make fun of Doris while she's sitting on a bench, and one of them aims, aims his slingshot at her head. Doris turns around and stares the bully down and causes the kid to strike himself in the face. And he had it coming. Yeah,

Stephen:

like demons are evil and all, but we're okay with this, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

Steve:

I was totally okay with this. He probably lost an eye and I'd say that that's. Di Dito. Yep. Yes. Alice goes out with Father Tom for the night in a totally weird pseudo will they, won't they? Situation,

Stephen:

which you're like, Wait a minute, he's a priest, Catholic priest. So this isn't like you're dating a minister, you're dating a, going out with a priest. There's not much chance there. He's married, you know?

Steve:

Yes to God. Father Tom chose not to pursue other relationships after his wife's passing as well as to keep his faith, and he clearly now is regretting it.

Stephen:

Lena just, he didn't know that he was gonna meet

Steve:

Alice. Yes, Lena and Mikey spend a brief time together and only kiss before she kicks him out. As Mikey's leaving Doris startles him as she appears outta nowhere and. Amazingly creepy. She starts describing being strangled to death and graphic and disturbing

Stephen:

details and the way she says. do you want to hear something really cool? Yeah,

Steve:

it's just awesome, And between that and the beginning when the mom was like intro, like threatening him to stay away from her daughter by doing, by reading, I'm like, he must be like, these women of this family are fucking crazy. Like, if that was my first two experiences with your family, I've been like no thank you. I'm staying home from now on

Stephen:

Now. I never dated anybody. Crazy families.

Steve:

I definitely dated ones with eccentric

Stephen:

families. Yeah. Eccentric is different than crazy. Like to this extent. No. You know, there were some of the families that I was like, Ugh, I would marry into this family.

Steve:

No thank you. Yeah. No. I would say no. I normally was the crazy one. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen:

Now, did you buy the chemistry between Alice and Father Tom? That's what was

Steve:

so confusing is I did buy it. Yeah. And I wanted her to bang the hot priest. Yeah. And yeah, I was totally for it. Yes. Lena meanwhile finds one of her dolls has what looks like stitches drawn onto its mouth. She confronts Doris about a Boras claims it was their dad that did it to stop the voices. The next day, Lena brings a bunch of papers written by Doris to Tom at school. They're written in Polish, and Tom says he knows someone at the school who can translate them for her. You know, thank

Stephen:

goodness for Lena being skeptical because with her mother thinks that, that they're helping people, and Doris is already possessed. Lena is the only voice of reason and taking actions to help her sister. This all doesn't go well. It could have gone

Steve:

much, much, much worse if it wasn't for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Tom visits the Xanders for Sand with Alison Doris. He tries to have them contact his deceased wife, Gloria. He asks what Gloria's middle name was, the Planchette moves around the to spell Lynn, and then moves around to indicate a fight happened between them that Gloria forgives him for. Doris also makes a voice that sounds like a grown woman. Tom then brings Allison Salina upstairs to tell them Gloria's real name was Catherine and that he manipulated the entity into doing what it did by thinking very loudly. Yeah. He then explains to the ladies, What Doris wrote in her letters. It's a journal entry from Marcus about a man they called the death doctor, who tortured people in that very house with his experiments Now obviously living here would be bad, right? You wouldn't wanna live here forever? I would. I would not

Stephen:

live

Steve:

in that house. No, living in a murder house. But would you wanna spend the night there?

Stephen:

100%. I would Airbnb that

Steve:

place. And would she sleep at all that night?

Stephen:

you know me like I I can't stay awake the whole night anymore. Yeah. Like, so after we did whatever we did, whether it was a seance or whatnot, or explored the house looking for things, at some point we're gonna fall asleep. Like whenever my friends Samantha Herzo and I did a ghost hunt and an old Catholic rectory in Catholic church, In Cincinnati, we got there at like seven, I think, and about 5:00 AM We were like, Okay, we're done. And they're like, Well, you can go to sleep. And we're like, No, thanks. We're going home. Yeah. And then we went to bed J and I think it, I think if Sam hadn't had the flu, we might have been able to stay the whole time. Mm-hmm. But I was also 28. That's different than now.

Steve:

Yes. Now Mikey shows up downstairs for Lena and do Stops her TV watching, which is staring at static. Yeah. And greets him. She takes into the basement to show him something cool. Cool. He sticks. Something really cool. Yeah. He sticks his penis in the spot where no no. Sticks his hand in the spot where the money was found. After finding the ideas of the death doctor's past victims, a Mathless skull pops out. Doris's eyes go

Stephen:

demonic. Yes. And she starts rapidly whispering something into Mikey's Ears. And Mikey's dad was an architect, so he had said before comments about the house, and Doris goes, You were right about the house. Good bones.

Steve:

Yes. Alice Lean Anton go downstairs and seeing Mikey's body drop with a newand. Lena freaks out, but Alice tells her to calm down and find Doris.

Stephen:

Now, Mikey's hanging is when I realized that. They were really calling back to the first oui because the first death was also a hanging by sheet over the banister.

Steve:

Yes. It was also seeing that hanging. That made me recognize that house because it was also used in another horror film that came out the same year Lights out, which was also a good one.

Stephen:

That was a good one. We enjoyed that a.

Steve:

Yes. Now the three, take the OUI board downstairs to burn it in the furnace,

Stephen:

which everyone always tries.

Steve:

They discover the skulls as well as other bones from people described in the journals, which means they were playing in a graveyard this whole time. And that's against rule number two.

Stephen:

Now, technically not a graveyard since graveyards have to be hollowed ground attached to churches. This is more of a cemetery. But it's semantics. And for the movie, we'll just let

Steve:

it be. Yes. The phonograph in the basement turns on and they hear Doris screaming. Tom crawls through event and finds Doris. She attacks him with supernatural force and causes him to attack the women leading to a chase that results in him resisting her presence. It responds by breaking his neck as he flies down the

Stephen:

stairs. Yeah. Killing somebody is bad. Killing a priest. Must be super du

Steve:

du. Super bad. Yeah, it definitely is. Super. Yeah. Yeah. And also while we're in the basement, you could see a mirror in the corner. And that's

Stephen:

Oculus, the, the big famous mirror from Oculus. Yeah. And that also is a movie that I didn't exactly care for the first time. Second time through, I'm like, Ooh, Oculus is pretty good.

Steve:

Which just goes to show you love everything, my love.

Stephen:

And so I do not, I still am not a fan of Star Trek, the next generation. That's

Steve:

okay. Yes. And what would you do if you found a secret room in your house? Be

Stephen:

so excited. So I thought that I found a secret room in my house in Cincinnati, up in the third floor. So it has you come up so it's not. It's technically an addict, but it's a walkup addict. So it has a full set of stairs and you come out into a main room and then there's a room that could be a nice walk in bathroom with enough room for a shower, alaw foot tub and stuff. And then another place that has room for a walk in closet. And I noticed cool air in the closet. And I was like, Where is that coming from? And I found this little latch and I opened it up and part of the wall swings. and it was a grow room. They had paneled off part of this room to create a secret hidden grow room, which makes sense because downstairs in the entryway there's this in the corner block off and most of the house is built with plaster walls, except this part you can totally hear is drywall. And that's because that's where they were vent. Out the pot smell. Mm-hmm. and down into the ground so that it wasn't going out. And the lights were all gone, but all the wiring was there and the silver insulation for the grow room was all still there. And it was like, I don't think that my realtor knew about this whenever I was buying the house.

Steve:

That's awesome though. Extra for a footage just after watching this and then the barbarian, I'm a little hesitant about the idea right now.

Stephen:

Now upstairs, Allison, Lena find that the OUI board is intact and back on the table. Of course. Yep. Alice is grabbed by unseen forces while Mickey. Mikey's Corpse swings by and grabs Lena throwing her to the stairs. Doris appears and starts whispering things into Lena's ear, and Alice pleads with the spirit to take her instead of the daughters, and that's when the voice is. I'll take

Steve:

you all. Yeah. And I just have to give a thumbs up for demon Doris. I mean, she's absolutely terrifying. Like, Oh, I mean, as a monster, like in all these possession ones, it's very rare, like to get one as chilling and like with the effects done. Like where it's the perfect amount, like doesn't go over the top to the point where it's campy. Yeah. But like, it's like close to that line where it's so extra that it's chilling. And I think she just pulled like the, the actress as well as special effects team does a great job. Yep, 100%. Now LE's pulled into her bedroom back to the day she confronted Doris about her doll. She sees her father and understands now what Doris meant by stopping the voices. Meanwhile, Alice is being dragged into the basement. Lena faces off against Doris in the spirit. The spirits tried pulling Lena away as she reluctantly sews. Doris's mouth shut the eye. Doris's throat is

Stephen:

so creepy. So like when Doris is over top of her? Yeah. And she opens her mouth real wide and is screaming and all of a sudden you see this eye open up just one single eye. Yeah. In the back of her throat and, ugh. Another good, just addition to up the creep

Steve:

factor. Yes. When she's done, Doris appears normal and wakes up. She's pulled up by Roger. In reality, Alice and Lena cry over her body.

Stephen:

Lena is momentarily possessed and she stabs Alice. Now when she reverts back to normal, she tearfully begs her mother for forgiveness. But Alice says she knows that it wasn't her. And she, Alice sees Roger and dos standing behind Lena before she dies. You know, it's a temporary possession. And then like,

Steve:

So do you buy this? The love, the whole movie. Everything's great. Except this part just boggles my mind. It's like they're like, Fuck, how do we have the sister in an insane asylum? We'll have a temporary, a temporary possession where she kills the mom. Like it just doesn't seem like to make sense. Like they either finished the spirit off and everything was fine,

Stephen:

but I don't think they finished the spirit off. I think that what they were doing was stopping Doris from being able to be a. Body for the spirit.

Steve:

I don't know. I think that something's just a little weak with this, but it's more of just a matter of trying to get us to the ending so that we're back where we are in the first one. Yeah, I

Stephen:

agree that that part seemed a little rushed, but it also, we knew they knew where we needed to get to that there was one survivor.

Steve:

Yes. Two months later, Lena's in a mental hospital talking to Dr. Fuller about what happened to Doris's.

Stephen:

in a room. Lena makes her own OUI board on the floor with her blood and an eyeglass to use as a planchette to contact Doris

Steve:

Fuller passes by Lena's room and sees what looks like Lena and Doris sitting next to each other on the bed, and we

Stephen:

sell it too. So

Steve:

when he turns the look back, he just sees Lena staring

Stephen:

at him. But then Doris is running along the ceiling doing that creepy crawly run thing, coming right at.

Steve:

Yes. And then we go to the credits. And after the credits we see old Lena played by

Stephen:

horror legend,

Steve:

Lynn. She in her room, as she's told, someone's claiming to be her niece who's there to see her, which

Stephen:

is what happened halfway through the first Oui movie. So yes. When they

Steve:

needed some exposition. Yep. So, yes.

Stephen:

And then, you know, that's where For those that haven't seen the original, that's where Lynn Shay is like, Oh yes, my mother was an evil thing and she trapped my sister down there. You have to save my sister. Where now we know. And later on in the movie, you realize that's not the case. Yeah. And so like we see how this all got there too. So this pre. Helps make the original better.

Steve:

Yes. Which it needs. Yes. But yes, all in all, I would say a fantastic movie. Absolutely. It's certainly better than the first. Yes. And one I'll watch again with you, I'm sure. Absolutely.

Stephen:

I would watch it again

Steve:

for sure. All right. We'd love to hear what you. Think of the movie as well as this episode. You can do that by getting in touch with us by email, happy life pod gmail.com,

Stephen:

and we're on all the socials, whether that is Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or TikTok. And you know, now that we're going into classic horror movies, let us know what some of your favorite classic horror movies are. It may be one that we're going to cover. Yes.

Steve:

So we hope to hear from you soon. But until next time, everyone, stay. Stay happy.