A Lifetime of Happiness

Scream 2 ft. Sean Walker-Mize

May 05, 2021 Steve Bennet-Martin, Stephen Martin-Bennet, Sean Walker-mize Season 1 Episode 66
A Lifetime of Happiness
Scream 2 ft. Sean Walker-Mize
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A Lifetime of Happiness
Scream 2 ft. Sean Walker-Mize
May 05, 2021 Season 1 Episode 66
Steve Bennet-Martin, Stephen Martin-Bennet, Sean Walker-mize

The Steves discuss their favorite sequel of all time, Scream 2, with the help of fellow horror enthuastiast and pop personality, Sean Walker-Mize.

Binge and Purge Recommendations:

  • The Banishing (Shudder)- Purge
  • Rebel (ABC)- Binge
  • Mommy Dearest (Amazon Prime)- Binge

Scream 2 Discussion Hightlights

  • Movie background information
  • Returning cast discussion
  • Our killers and their victims
  • The origin of the black victim trope

Thank you to www.BlackHorrorMovies.com for the discussion inspired by their referenced article: http://www.blackhorrormovies.com/blackdeath/

Thank you to Sean Walker-Mize for being our guest expert!

Check out Make-Up and Sing here: https://youtu.be/fPHygdtcQHI

Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.

Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/happylifepod)

Show Notes Transcript

The Steves discuss their favorite sequel of all time, Scream 2, with the help of fellow horror enthuastiast and pop personality, Sean Walker-Mize.

Binge and Purge Recommendations:

  • The Banishing (Shudder)- Purge
  • Rebel (ABC)- Binge
  • Mommy Dearest (Amazon Prime)- Binge

Scream 2 Discussion Hightlights

  • Movie background information
  • Returning cast discussion
  • Our killers and their victims
  • The origin of the black victim trope

Thank you to www.BlackHorrorMovies.com for the discussion inspired by their referenced article: http://www.blackhorrormovies.com/blackdeath/

Thank you to Sean Walker-Mize for being our guest expert!

Check out Make-Up and Sing here: https://youtu.be/fPHygdtcQHI

Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.

Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/happylifepod)

Steve:

Hello returning happies and new listeners. This is

Stephen:

Steve Bennet-Martin, and this is Stephen Martin-Bennet and welcome to a lifetime of happy. Yes,

Steve:

the podcast where we take you on our journey through some of the movies, TV shows, and other bits of pop culture that are helping to keep us happy. We'll hopefully bring a smile to your face

Stephen:

along the way. And today we're catching up with our friends from Woodsboro and my friend and fellow scary movie enthusiast. Sean Walker -Mize, with the sequel to scream scream too.

Steve:

Yes. Welcome to

Sean:

the show, Sean. Well, hello, you how's everybody doing?

Stephen:

It's very good. And it's a nice sunny morning here in Florida. I know that you've been having some. Interesting weather in Ohio the past couple of weeks.

Sean:

Let's not talk about it. It's really cold right now. And it's gray and cloudy. So thanks for rubbing Florida in my face. You're

Stephen:

welcome. You're welcome. It was 75 this morning and it's sunny and it's nice. And you were out cleaning the pool? Yeah. Yeah.

Sean:

That's rude

Stephen:

Sean from Cincinnati, Ohio when I used to live there and right before I moved down here, we did my big gay Cincinnati wedding together and had entire time

Steve:

we were planning our wedding and we're like, thank God we don't have his character actually in this.

Sean:

You don't want like a drunken person that just randomly makes out with

Stephen:

everybody. Yep. I didn't want that. And I didn't want someone to do the whole Y YMCA dance in the middle of the reception and.

Sean:

Yeah, that show was interesting.

Stephen:

I had the best time with that show because it was a lot of fun. Yeah. You meet Aaron Sherry, and you know, some of the other people, not all the other people, some of them,

Sean:

I can only imagine who you're talking about.

Steve:

I'm one way I've gotten to know you since then, basically, because I stock all of Stephen's friends and ad requests, the ones that seem interesting enough as I've gotten to know you through your YouTube channel. So if tell our listeners a little bit more about that and what you do there.

Sean:

Yeah. Thank you. It's a very new channel. It's a, it's kind of in its baby stages, but it's called makeup and saying I do make up used to do it professionally, but now I'm just kind of like an enthusiast, but I do it locally for like different theater companies and stuff like that. So I decided to kind of put two of my passions together, one being makeup and one being. The autopsy so together. What I do is I transform my friends into characters from different Broadway musicals. And then at the end, they actually perform a song as the character that I transformed them into. So it's part makeup, tutorial, part performance. So it's kind of a fun, different take on the makeup side of YouTube and also the performance side of YouTube. I just kind of put them together. Most of it's just me making ridiculous facial expressions and references to different things. It's a lot of fun.

Stephen:

And if nobody has seen it, Sean does a really good Casey Becker on the phone with Ghostface from the first scream, the whole, what are you doing? I'm making popcorn scene and it's very good. And anybody in the know, Sean in person knows that. Anytime you see him in public, his face is flawless. So Sean is quite good with the makeup. What are you trying to say?

Sean:

I don't wear makeup on my day-to-day life. That's just my taste.

Steve:

That's how it works. That's how it works for Steven as well.

Stephen:

Yeah, me too. He woke up

like

Sean:

this. I just really love skincare that a lot can be done with a little bit of tinted moisturizer in a dab of concealer man makeup

Stephen:

now is also, when we talk about what is making us happy and darling, what is making you happy? Well,

Steve:

actually I've been learning a little bit of videography myself recently to do videos of different things for work. And so I'm starting to use that to also help friends make little commercials for their businesses and things. So it's exciting getting to not only learn a new skill, but also be able to put it to work, helping people.

Stephen:

That's fantastic. Yes. And you know, for me, This week was my nine year work anniversary with the Lake house. Happy

Steve:

anniversary. Yeah. I can't imagine him staying in one shop for nine years,

Stephen:

but I, I was like, you know, when I was at peanuts and Cincinnati, like I was there for seven, almost eight years, and then I moved down here and Lake house, and it's been nine years so far. And it's kind of crazy to think about that. You know, this fall, you and I will have been here 11 years in Sarasota and that nine of them I've been at Lake house. And that's just crazy to think about it feels like I've been there forever, but it also feels like no time at all this past. Yeah. Yeah,

Sean:

knowing that you moved 11 years ago. That's crazy pants to me. Wow. It's been that long. It doesn't feel that long. Does it? Not at all? No. So

Steve:

what is making you happy

Stephen:

recently? That's what I was going to

Sean:

say. Calm it down. I'm kidding. So. I guess, like not to kind of not getting on a political pedestal or anything like that, but I did get the vaccine and my family got the vaccine. And I honestly haven't seen my family since last Memorial day. So Memorial day of 2020, it was kinda like the last time that I actually got to see them on a happy terms. So I actually got to see my family this week on Sunday. I got to actually drive down because everybody's vaccinated. Everybody's healthy, got to see my grandmother for the first time in a very long time. So it was a great experience just to kind of see them because we're all very close knit. So very thankful to scientists and doctors, and just very happy that I get to kind of be around people that I love again. That's

Stephen:

fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Past year has been hell, not doing family things and being as close with people as you would want to be in it, spending a lot more time at home than we want.

Steve:

And we're going out again now more and more, which is nice.

Sean:

Exactly.

Steve:

Doesn't stop us from bingeing. All of our favorite TV shows

Stephen:

and movies. So yes, this is our bins and purge section where we like to tell the listeners what they should be bingeing or what they should purge from their life. And, and so

Steve:

we watched a horror movie recently that I already forget 90% of what it's about. So that's never really a great sign. It was the banishing on shutter.

Stephen:

So what's sad is that it stars one of the people from Downton Abbey, lady Sibel and I was like, Oh, she's a talented actress from Downton Abbey. And, you know, the trailer looked good. I was like, I have faith in this. And we were watching and it was one of those that's disappointing because it had potential and it was either nobody made the writer go back and tighten up the script or the director didn't have a stronger guiding hand from the producers, but it fell apart somewhere. Yes. And that's kind of sad. And of itself, if you

Steve:

added it to your watch list, we would recommend purging it. Yeah.

Stephen:

I love shutter because it has a combination of cheesy B movies and some quality of movies. Well, no, that's where we found the Christmas horror movie better watch out, better watch out. And that was fantastic.

Sean:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shutters really fun.

Stephen:

And so, but we have. One that I think is an absolute binge is the show on ABC rebel. Yes. Have you been watching it?

Sean:

Yes, I have. So I am, I was I am still obsessed with a movie or in Brockovich. I think it's one of the best movies ever made. Julia Roberts is fantastic. It's got a great mix of like humor and just like human interaction and like the human experience on it. I love that movie. So when this show came out, I actually didn't know that it is based on what Erin Brockovich is. Life is today. And I was just, we were watching it and I looked at Brian. I was like, she's basically Erin Brockovich. And then he goes, Did you not say at the very beginning that it says that this is based on Erin Brockovich is life today. And I went, Oh, but no, I love that show. It's so good. And it's, it's kind of the same feeling where it's got like this through plot of like the big case by all these little side cases on it as well. That kind of just keep the show very interesting. And I'm

Stephen:

loving it so far. You, I love, you know, people that stand up for the underdog and that they're there to help people that normally wouldn't have any advocates in their corner. I love Katie Seagal. I think she's brilliant in everything she does. And then we were watching this show on Hulu about super powered kids called. And now I'm blanking on it. And now that you're

Steve:

blinking on and I'm blanking on it because of the pressure of, you

Sean:

know,

Stephen:

it really is good. But one of the actresses from there that's a teenager that we were like, Oh, she's one of the more talented on this cast. Oh, they're runaway the runaways. Thank you. And Gert Gert from the runaways is the adopted daughter on rebel. That is, that she's interning with the agent or the law firm. And she's just so good. And I really like her John Corbett is great. So I'm quite impressed with the show so far. And I'm excited to see where it goes. Yeah, it's definitely a binge. Now we could lose our gay cards for this next thing. But both of us watched mommy dearest for the first time ever this week.

Sean:

Okay. So I'm going to putting up with you.

Steve:

Well, it ends up ID need to, because it ends up. It's what my mom watched in her how-to guide when she adopted me. Oh

Sean:

no. Yes.

Steve:

There was, there was more flashes of like, not so much like the physical violence. I was not,

Stephen:

not out

Steve:

of the verbiage. I was like, Oh no, mommy

Sean:

dearest. I'm not mad at you. I am mad.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah. That that's, that was actually more right out of my father's mouth, but yeah, it was a nice conglomerate of my childhood. And so it was an interesting experience, but I can't believe how iconic it's been for our gay culture

Stephen:

and that I missed it. And you know what blows zero on Sundays. They would have like, Movie clips and Broadway song clips and everything in the afternoon and the evenings. So I've seen so many clips of mommy dearest, but I had never, ever seen the movie all the way through. So this was definitely a, I

Steve:

must watch it here in the gay culture.

Sean:

Yeah. I think the, the fascinating thing about that movie is it kind of is like a B movie because it's not very well. Done acting is so incredibly over the top, but it's still very serious. I mean, the movie got pay and when it first came out picking that Mia Farrow's portrayal was like way over the top. Yeah, that was Neo Farrah. No, it was not. It was Joe. I know, correct

Stephen:

me. So it was Faye Dunaway.

Sean:

Here we go. Pay Dunaway. That's the same name? That's her drag name.

Stephen:

And did you know, what's funny is reading up on the movie is that Betty Davis, when asked who she dislikes most in Hollywood, it's not Joan Crawford. It's fade. Donna. What? Well

Sean:

that's perfect. Did you guys watch feud?

Stephen:

Oh yes. We love

Sean:

that show feud. I love those actresses. Oh,

Steve:

okay. Yes. Now how you've been bingeing, anything recently that you'd want to recommend for our listeners?

Sean:

So it's. Yes. So me and Brian actually flat out full on watch back to back a show that I know is getting some controversy. So I don't really want to dive into that side of things, but it's them on? I think Amazon yeah. Yeah, like the horror showed them

Stephen:

three episodes in. Oh

Sean:

yes. And I really loved it when you thought it was really great. I know that there's a lot of talk about it being a rip off a Jordan Peele, and I didn't really even get a Jordan Peele vibe throughout the entire thing, but I actually got a vibe from was the shining. I thought it very much dives into kind of the feeling that the shining had. And I kind of correlated it as like the shining mixed with like culture dice mixed with the us. I think maybe the title just kind of threw people off and also just because of like the cast and everything and kind of through it, it made people automatically think that it was some type of correlation with the movie us, which I also love. And I

Steve:

think it was the trailer. The trailer was not what I was expecting from the show either.

Sean:

No, exactly. And I definitely think that they, they called it them to kind of capitalize on people, thinking it might have something to do with us, which I don't agree with them doing that. I, because there's really no reason why it's called them. Well,

Stephen:

I do see the them, and it's based on which side of the coin you're looking at. It's the people that have moved there, all their residents or all their neighbors are them. If it's from the neighbors, it's the new family that is them because it's definitely the shining mixed with the worst racist interactions that I've ever seen. And that's one of the reasons Steve doesn't like, it it's very

Steve:

much for me. So I leave, I leave the room and I go do something

Sean:

happier. Yeah. I mean, definitely trigger warning. Cause there, there are episodes and you're only in the beginning there. Oh, there's episodes that I literally just sat there with my mouth open and I was like, Oh my gosh, which is one of the controversies too, is people were kind of calling it like torture porn which it does, it does dabble in that kind of genre, like hostile and saw. Cause it gets to the point where it's like, Oh my goodness. But beyond all that, the acting is just terrible. It truly, truly is. And some of the visual elements are just like, Oh wow. And going back to me kind of saying that it was similar to the shining, there's literally an episode where they even do the heartbeat pulse type of thing that the shining had. And like, I just think that they took a lot of different type of. Inspirations from different elements and kind of like put it all into the show, but it does, it does have its little moments of like, ah, that's weird. When it comes to like the controversies and stuff. So I see both sides of everything, but I did really enjoy that

Stephen:

show. And so far, I would definitely say that if that is up your alley and you're able to endure some of the hatred and the things that go with that definitely watch it. But if that sounds like it's too much for you definitely skip it.

Sean:

I would definitely say that it's got its own little problems and some of the episodes are hard. So go into it cautiously. Now, you know

Steve:

what? You should just throw yourself right into head first because it's completely awesome. What's

Stephen:

that scream to scream to? Well, we should probably say. Previously on scream. Yes. What

Steve:

happened in scream? I forget.

Stephen:

Well, let's see, there was a phone call and some popcorn and a liver and a mailbox. And then there was some people sitting outside talking about it and they're like, I didn't say it was you. Thanks man. And then there were some friends and there were some more calls and there was a girl running up the stairs and a closet door and a cell phone and a mask and a party

Steve:

and really being helpful. Then

Sean:

what happened in the garage door? Don't forget a garage

Steve:

door. He was getting there, but I mean, we also would have been at screen five by that. Yes. But I would say the best way to quit to briefly summarize it would be that it was about a small town. Woodsboro where a whole bunch of murders happened around Sydney, Prescott and her

Stephen:

friends. Yep. And the people that survived that are important to talk about are Sidney herself. Courtney Cox played by playing Gail weathers, David Arquette, playing Dewey Riley, and

Steve:

Jamie Kennedy comes back and prizes his role as yeah.

Stephen:

And the cotton weary gets more than being watched on an interview. Yes. So we, it's definitely a fantastic film, like scream is iconic and a classic at this point. And I was very happy. We got a sequel. Tell us about some of the background.

Steve:

Yes. Well, it was a 1997 American Metta slasher film directed by West Craven and written by Kevin Williamson. Both of them reprising the role from the first one. It stars all the returning alumni from the first that we mentioned along with newcomers like Sarah, Michelle Gellar, Buffy Laurie Metcalf, aunt Jackie. Jerry O'Connell nineties guy, typically all a fan Jada Pinkett Smith and Omar apps. It was released on December 12th, 1997, making it the perfect Christmas movie for you to go to the sea with mom.

Stephen:

Right. That actually mom and I were in Columbus, Ohio for the weekend with family. And we went and saw it opening night, mom, back in the nineties and early two thousands was my horror movie, buddy, even though it, the movie scared her more than she enjoyed them, but she'd walk on hot coals

Sean:

for you. She would do that too. Must be a gay thing too, because I also saw a screen too with my mother.

Steve:

Yes. And so it did very well in the movie theaters with a budget of $24 million at boxed, $172.4 million. And it was ultimately decided to name it scream too, but it had other workshop titles, including. Scream again, scream louder and scream the sequel so happy.

Sean:

They just went in with screen too. So happy,

Stephen:

agreed. And like if, if they had kept the whole scary movie title and they hadn't gone with scream, then I think scary movie, the sequel would have been the best meta title they could have gone with. But once they went with scream, that was a little bit edgier and things screamed too was honestly, I felt the only way they could

Sean:

go. Well, and then also I think at that time, when the movie came out, every movie that had a sequel, it wasn't just like. To always have some type of tagline. So I remember thinking like, Oh, it's just called scream too. That's kind of cool. Cause every cul at that time, like had like, blah, blah, blah two, or it had like a weird name tagged on to it as well. So I really enjoyed them, just keeping it clean and just being like screenings.

Stephen:

Well, and so like that's urban legend, which came out. And then the sequel, you just add an S to it. It's urban legends. And I was like, exactly.

Sean:

Which is all, it's still confusing to this day when I'm like, I love the movie aliens and then they're like, Oh yeah. And then they start talking about the first one and like no aliens.

Steve:

Yes, no. And I can only imagine being that the series continued on what it would have been like if it was called scream again. Cause then what, the third would've been like scream again and again.

Sean:

Oh, gosh, scream one last time keeps screaming. Oh yeah. Oh

Steve:

yes. And so let's dive into our returning heroes. I know that we have Sydney is the main protagonist. So the movie starts with seeing her one year later kind of dealing with the aftermath and the trauma of Woodsboro. How do you think she

Stephen:

handles that? And so they didn't go too deep into her trauma at the beginning. She seems, you know, she's been through something and she's put up some walls, but in general, she's trying to lead the best life possible, but you can tell she's a little bit harder. And it has more of an edge to her than she did in the first one. She doesn't take

Sean:

any shit anymore. Like I remember like watching the movie and the part with the caller ID, like her just like busting that personnel. I was like, she a bad ass. And then like also later on in the movie, she just like flat out is grabbing guns and like fighting back, like instantly as opposed to like running, like she's like facing him like right away. And I very much

enjoy

Stephen:

that. Yeah. Well, speaking of the caller ID that brings up, that brings up my theory as to where the movie takes place, because whenever you're giving someone a phone number, if it is a different area code, like when I gave Steve your phone number, if you had been from Sarasota, I wouldn't have needed to say nine, four 41. I would have just said like five, five, five one, one, one, one. But because you're in Cincinnati, I said five one, three, And so when Sydney reads back the guy's phone number, she doesn't say the five, one, three that's on the caller ID. She just says five, five, five. So it is my theory that they are in the Cincinnati area and most likely. It is a takeoff on UC and specifically CCM.

Steve:

All right. Well, Mike dropped there cause I don't know what the hell you're talking about

Sean:

social. Yeah. But in Cincinnati, there is a very well-known theatrical conservatory here called CCM, which is Cincinnati conservatory of music. I believe it is. Yeah. And that's where a lot of Broadway people have gone. Like if you ever opened a playbill, when you're on like a show, you'll see like CCNC CMCC and CCM. It's a very well-known and very prestigious theater school. And in scream, two Sydney is studying theater at like one of the best theater schools. And with that area code of being five, one, three, you can kind of just be like, Oh, that kind of makes sense, because I think that they actually did announce that it's somewhere in Ohio, but you're really not supposed to know. But I think like it's a known thing that it's Ohio. Yeah. Yeah. So with the area code and her studying theater, it's kind of just like, huh, that makes sense. But it was still in, I think Georgia,

Stephen:

it was in Georgia because there, there were a lot of scenes where they're all dressed in like Lake fall clothing and they said it was 108 degrees. Oh, goodness. Yeah. Can you imagine Sydney in her jeans, the black shirt, the leather jacket, and it's 108 degrees. No, thank you.

Steve:

Yeah. That's no, but I mean, you got to dress a little more comfortably because she was so in off damn arms.

Stephen:

Well, yeah, tiny.

Sean:

No, right. Yeah. My way better. Yeah. And also her hair got way better. We won't talk about screen three. But her hair in the second one, I remember her popping up on screen and being like, Oh, I love her hair. Yeah.

Stephen:

Yeah. She had the best hair and she's my favorite character in the scream series. Yeah,

Sean:

exactly. She's just a strong woman. She doesn't take no crap. And also she just goes for what she wants. He might throw people under the bus to go where she wants, but she gets what she

Steve:

wants. And we know that those are just boners for us gay men. Yeah,

Sean:

I know. Right. We just love a strong, powerful woman. Yes. Yep.

Stephen:

And so she had written another book and it was the Woodsboro murders, which. They turned into

Steve:

stab. Yes. The movie within a movie. How meta can

Sean:

that get? Yeah. Which was one of the actual, like working titles too for the screen franchise thinking stabs, scary movie or screen. So,

Stephen:

gosh, I think like if I had to rank them, it would be scream, scary movie, and then stab, stab is Justin

Steve:

stab when everyone probably laughed at it, he was like, yeah. I mean, just kidding. That's the name of the fake one? The next one.

Sean:

Oh yeah. I was totally joking guys. I'm less crave and I know what I'm doing.

Stephen:

Dewey is back and he is no longer working for the Woodsboro PD at this time because of the injuries that he sustained with the inner of damage with nerve damage in the first one. So he's kind of, you know, just doing PT and recuperating and taking some disability, but he shows up to look out for Sydney. And Randy because he's, you know, their surrogate big

Steve:

brother. Yes. Especially cause his sister's dad, even though he doesn't mention her once.

Sean:

No, I know. Right. I thought that too. I was like, do we not like Rose McGowan anymore?

Stephen:

Oh, that, that was a sad death. And well there's one here.

Steve:

That's just a sad, but yes. And then Randy returns and he's back with his own ideas about what he thinks about sequels for people.

Sean:

Live through this. Okay. Life

Stephen:

is life. It doesn't imitate any moment, Randy, with all due respect, the killer obviously patterned himself after two serial killers who have been immortalized on film. Thank

Sean:

you. Right.

Stephen:

Are you suggesting that someone's trying to make a real life sequence

Sean:

to who would want to do that? SQL suck, man, please, please. By definition alone there and feel your films.

Stephen:

Bullshit. Generalization, many sequels have surpassed their original name

Sean:

one. Yeah,

Stephen:

I can name one. Go for it. Scream two. Yes. Can you name another one? Well, I think that there are, well, I, so I can clearly say it's not nightmare on Elm street too. No, it's not.

Sean:

But it felt like,

Stephen:

Oh, that one is just so bad. Like, so as great as scream is, and it is it's iconic and a classic. I truly believe that scream two is an overall better film. I

Sean:

do too. Yeah.

Steve:

And Sean, did you have any other sequels that you feel surpassed the

Sean:

original? Yeah. So in scream two, they actually named one. I do believe that aliens is better than alien. Yes. I, 100%. I think like Sigourney rivers, Ripley is way more fleshed out and she's more hard and she's just, and the iconic get away from her. You bitch line. It's just, Ugh. No,

Stephen:

and this may be an unpopular opinion, but I also preferred jaws to over the first jaws. Because the part where they're out, the three men are out on the boat and it's so long with nothing happening. Yeah. Like it's great for the movie that they were probably trying to make. But for somebody like me, that is one more shark attacks, jaws to provides the. Yeah, drama and the blood for me. Well, the

Sean:

shark broke during the making of the first one. So then they had to kind of redirect the entire like movie. And that's the reason why you actually don't see the shark very much in the first one, which ended up being iconic with the soundtrack and like the fan and everything and made the movie more scary for people because they didn't show the robotic shark as much, but they kind of had to like rewrite a bunch of scenes. So that, all that part where they're just on the boat, chit chatting and cutting the shit like it's because they were like, well, we can't do this scene anymore because we don't have the short term.

Stephen:

Well, that makes complete sense. Yes.

Sean:

And then the budget went up, so they got a better shark. We need a bigger shark. Yeah. We need a bigger shark.

Steve:

Yes. And in this movie, they also start with a bigger role for the boyfriend with Derek.

Stephen:

Oh, poor Jerry O'Connell. And like, obviously, because we're all still feeling PTSD for Sydney from. The first movie where automatically like suspicious of Derek, we're like, Oh boy, you saw us. And yeah, I was going

Steve:

to say, meanwhile, I never saw him like as a potential suspect because everyone was throwing him out as a potential suspect. Did you think that there was a chance that they do that again?

Stephen:

Well, whenever he showed up at the theater like whenever they were doing the Cassandra scene and the ghost face was on the stage with everybody else and that whole thing happened and then ghost face disappears after she falls on screams. And then Jerry O'Connell's there and he's like, I switched with Mickey. He had the like editing and like, you're like, did you? And you know, but he also is a more. Genuine and kind like whenever Billy Loomis was on screen, you're like creep factor. You can do better. Like you re like you really should be looking at Randy because everyone else. I also, whenever you think of back to like some of your female friends and the guys they dated in high school, I remember some of them and I was like, Oh girl, I don't know why I didn't stop you because you really could have done better back then, too.

Sean:

Yeah. Well that's why girls have gay best friends. Yeah. I'm sorry, but no, you need to pass.

Steve:

And speaking of best friends.

Sean:

Oh, Holly, don't talk. I think this movie has the most. Like I th the reason why I think scream two really is a more superior film than scream. One is I felt way more connected to the characters. And the second one, it was like, every time someone died in the second one, I remember being like, Aw, darn it

Stephen:

absolutely like an, even the main characters. And I know that we had a whole movie to get to know them, but Gail is fleshed out so much more in this movie where it just feels like just so much better. But Holly, best friend and roommate, she's really trying to get Sidney out of the dorm, which. Honestly, those are fantastic dorms. That's how, you know,

Sean:

I know that's every college in a movie it's like, hi, my dorm room is the size of a small apartment. Yeah. And I got to paint the walls pink. Yeah. Yeah. It's like,

Stephen:

no, that's not how college dorms work at all. Now we, Holly, as I had mentioned is trying to get Sidney to join a sorority with her. And because Holly really wants to join Sydney is very, you know, the flavor of the moment. And while Holly is truly her best friend, she can use a little bit of Sydney's new popularity. To help her get in the sorority, but the poor sorority girls played by Rebecca Gay heart and poor cinder Rossy. scary Caterpillar. Oh yeah.

Sean:

I love her eyebrow. I love a good bushy Brown now that

Steve:

she has something to say for you.

Stephen:

No, I really mean that. Hi.

Sean:

Hi.

Stephen:

So that's one of my favorite lines from this movie. Like if somebody says just, if I hear someone go high in my head and sometimes out loud, I go, no, I really mean that. Oh, that's so funny. I love that Josh Jackson has a very small scene in the SQL conversation. Rebecca Gayheart is in this movie and then a year later, They start together in urban legend.

Steve:

Yes. This was like a breeding ground for young Hollywood at the time.

Stephen:

And so the, another new character who Timothy Oliphant, who I honestly truly believe that he is an amazing, amazing actor and we know him from justified or the zombie movie, the crazies he was also in Santa Clarita diet,

Sean:

which is one of the saddest shows that got canceled, canceled. I was heartbroken. I was like, can we at least get a movie to wrap it

Stephen:

up? Yes, he was in my favorite gay movie, broken hearts club. And so he kind of plays. A Randy 2.0 or a dark

Steve:

Randy, who's like, just as obsessed with horror

Stephen:

movies and movies, you know, he's you know, the creepy Tarantino film student, and he's very good in this. And it's another one of those things that whenever you watch the film back, you see what he's doing. Just like, whenever you want scream back, you can see what Billy and Stu are doing. Yeah. Yeah. How he's

Steve:

constantly just throwing everyone else, like, you know, under the bus or like the

Stephen:

hospital chair. Yeah. The hospital's seen after Derek's been sliced and and he just throws out the, why would he run back in? And you're like, Oh, that's a good point. Why would he run back in? And then when you, you know, you've seen it and, you know, You're like, Oh, you shady lady, like throwing, Derrick under the bus like that.

Steve:

Yeah. And speaking of shady ladies, there's also Debbie

Stephen:

salt, Laurie Metcalf can honestly do no wrong.

Sean:

Yes.

Steve:

And this role, she comes off where you don't even like register her accept that like, you know, her face. So, you know, she's going to be something big, but you almost like disregarded the role. Cause she just seems like a, like a inferior version of like a Gail knockoff.

Stephen:

Yeah. And she's just there to annoy the shit out of Gail. And then yeah.

Sean:

You just see her as kind of like a threat to Gail and what she's doing as opposed to like a threat to everyone. Yeah. It's genius. Yeah.

Steve:

Yes.

Stephen:

It's just so, so good with her performance and. Like we all at that point, the only thing we all really knew her from was Roseanne as aunt Jackie, and to see her in this role where she still has comedic elements, but she's really just acting her ass off. I

Sean:

love, yes. What I really love too is if you, I, cause I kind of, before we. Got on the call and everything. I was kind of reviewing different, like imagery from the movie. Just kind of refresh my mind and different scenes. What I really love too, is her transformation from when she's like Debbie soul to when she's like Mrs. Loomis at the end, like her facial expressions, every thing about her is completely different and it's just genius. Like the way she holds her body, the way her face looks, she just immediately looks villainous at the very end and they didn't do any like changes in her makeup or anything. It's just like pure acting. And it's like, Ugh, you could just feel it coming out of her. That she's just like, Hmm. And I loved like the whole like Friday, the 13th type of element where she's like Mrs. and it's just genius. I remember watching the movie when Gayle kind of like enters first, like, well, obviously it's not Gale shows, Debbie. I literally wait, wait, what? Yes. It took me a second to be like, I literally was like, I was kind of let down, like I was like, what? And then she goes, Mrs. Loomis. And I went, yeah, gas. I was like for, for the

Steve:

listeners who forgot, we actually have that here for you.

Sean:

Oh, okay. Loomis Bailey's mother twist. Huh? Didn't see it coming Dick. It

Stephen:

can't be I've. I've I've seen pictures of you. This is 60 pounds in a lot of work later. It's called a makeover.

Sean:

You should try it with a little tired

Stephen:

yourself there, Gail. I mean, she even changes the way she speaks once. She's no longer Debbie salt. Yes.

Sean:

She's a genius performance. It's a little bit over the top, but it's genius.

Stephen:

Not as over the top as mother,

Steve:

I was going to say we have that to go with it too.

Stephen:

That's pretty good. It hasn't been done before

Sean:

you see, this is just the beginning of prelude to the trial. That's where the real fun is because these days it's all about the trial. Could you see the effects of cinema violence on society? I'll get Cochrane to represent me, Bob Dole on the witness. Stand in my defense, held at Christian coalitional pay my legal fees. It's air tight said.

Stephen:

Yeah, no. Like we all, we all lived through the OJ Simpson trial and I can see where he's going with that, especially with the Christian coalition part. Oh, and you know, these days, I think there's a better chance of somebody using that defense. Like with how our country is fractured. I think somebody could. Try to make that a defense these days. I

Sean:

mean, he is a white man. Yeah. So

Stephen:

let's go with some of the interesting kills, you know, we've got the movie opens with Jada Pinkett Smith as Maureen and Omar Epps as Phil Stephens. And they are going to the opening night of stab at the local theater near Windsor college.

Steve:

Yes. And, and with that they are getting ready and they you'd almost think that they knew that they were in a movie. How with how self aware they were in this conversation, John

Stephen:

Rice historical for excluding the African-American. Do you manage how you get your PhD in black cinema sister, soldier? Listen, I read my entertainment weekly. Okay. I know

Sean:

my share boldly. I

Stephen:

read my black

Sean:

beak to homie tonight. We're going to have an all black movie. All black has all black wardrobe, black, everything, black IPS, the black cats, and get crazy. Hi,

Stephen:

here you go. What's this dab, Steven here's the studio sound

Sean:

and it's white.

Stephen:

Jada is so good in this role. Yes.

Steve:

And so, but she inspired me and I went one step further than entertainment weekly. And I know as all, three of us being such big horror movie buffs of the trope of the black person dying first in a modern cinema. But I went in to actually where it came and I found this great article called the black death, a brief history of black people dying in horror films. And I'm giving credit to, I looked up and down and I couldn't find the author's name, but it's from black horror movies.com and I will link over into it, into the show notes. But it actually talks about the first two major instances that kind of set that standard. What did you think of the article? And I sent it to you.

Stephen:

My love, I thought that it was very interesting and it is. Unfortunate that you know, you see high profile horror movies and the people of color are not the ones to survive. And, but it's some of your you know, independent horror films where they don't follow that trope. And you have to wonder like the people that are writing it and directing it, producing it, do they like consciously see it happening? Or is it just that, Oh yeah, well, this character needs to die. And it's just a coincidence that they're a person of color. Well, and

Steve:

that's ultimately like the big question, but, While it created this difficult subject. You know, it also did end up getting rid of this other more harmful stereotype in the matter, because the first instance of the, the first black victim was in spider baby or the meta story ever told and it opened with a cameo by Manson Moreland, who is an African-American actor known for playing comedic sidekicks and over a dozen thrillers in the thirties and forties, where he played very, very offensive, stereotypical roles in like a sticky kind of comedy way. And so he was actually a pressured, I ain't got the ire of civil rights groups, like the NAACP who all, but ended his career by elaborate lobbying for more dignified roles for people of color. So he took some time off, comes back with this movie where he gets brutally murdered almost immediately in the beginning. And so it marked the literal death of the outdated black stereotype in horror movies. But at Chris in this new, more modern stereotype, which was the black victim.

Stephen:

And that's you see it in slasher films, but it, it also made me think of something. So we watched the original night of the living dead

Steve:

actually came out the same year as this other movie that I mentioned. And that these, that was the other one kind of blamed quote unquote, for being the death of the, you know, the black victim in the movie. Cause the, the casting was actually an African-American man, Dwayne Jones and the lead role of Ben, which what I like about it was that he was cast for it when the role wasn't written as black, he just got cast because he was right for the role, which is how it should be done. Hollywood.

Stephen:

Yes. And th that, that it's nice. If they can actually write a script where the character's race isn't specified, and then you can do casting of who was actually embodying. The best thing,

Steve:

but it is unfortunate because I mean, to people that are like, you know, one known for his real life acting role dies immediately in a movie and then another one, a person of color and leading man role dies as well in the end. And so it kind of was a one-two punch that first year that really kind of created this trope and it continues on well into the stay. I mean, even with some of the modern franchises that you see, I mean, in Friday the 13th, 16 out of the 19 black characters die,

Stephen:

that doesn't shock me at all. So not one of the better Halloween movies, but Halloween resurrection. Oh gosh, it costars Sean Patrick Thomas, who was, you know, one of the bigger up and coming black actors at that time, he had been in cruel intentions, barbershop save the last dance. And so he was doing Halloween resurrection, and he actually says, you know, this isn't good guys like me are usually one of the first ones to go. So it acknowledged that black people are usually very quick to die. He did not survive the film, but he was not one of the first.

Steve:

Yes. Correct. And I mean, black movies.com actually went and did a deep dive into it and did the research for me. But over viewing a thousand horror films containing 1,500 appearances by black actors and actresses, they had an overall mortality rate to be of about 45%. So it's a flip of the coin. If you see someone black in a horror movie, there's a flip of the coin that they're going to be killed.

Sean:

Or get like pushed out of the film for like half of it kind of like Brandy's character. And I still know what you did last summer. Like she was a prominent character and then you think she's dead, but then she's literally gone for like the last, like 40 minutes of the movie. And then at the very end, after the whole movie is done, they just show her like live. Yeah. And I think maybe they were planning to kill her, but then they were like, Oh, well, let her live. And then they just added this tag and I love screen scream is my favorite horror franchise ever. But now in a like 20, 21 lens and looking back at it scream does have a problem when it comes to diversity, because I don't think there are any main, like there's no black characters in the first one, the only black characters we have in the second one all die except for the camera man. Yup. And then I don't think in the third one, there's a single black character

Stephen:

and scream three, they had one black character. Deon Richmond played Tyson Fox. He was the Randy character in stab three that they were filming. And

Sean:

did he die? Yes, I do remember

Stephen:

that. I don't believe he died. I think he got to survive.

Sean:

I think he just disappears, you know, he gets thrown off a balcony. Oh yeah. And then she has to like it and he puts the metal

Stephen:

detector. That's right. He that's where he does die. And in, and in scream for the person of color is Anthony Anderson and he has a knife jabbed through his temple when he's out in the police car. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So we do add mortality rates for the scream series. It has. Yeah. Other than the camera man and scream too.

Steve:

Math is hard. My CFO, who I married for my math numbers, but I think it's like 80% or

Stephen:

something. Yeah. Would it be like, if we ignore the camera, man, it's a hundred percent and I think that's why the third season of scream, the TV series where they entirely focused on like 90% people of color cast was much needed. Yeah. Yes.

Steve:

Now the actual kills themselves though, in this opening scene though, of Maureen dying up a movie on the square, hard to watch. Yeah. It's just, you know, and that, that's what they wanted to do for, it was to kind of look at like, you know, you're watching this and it's fun because you're telling yourself it's fake, but like what if it was

Stephen:

real well? And the problem for me with this four Jadas character, Maureen. The killer keeps his mask on the whole time. There's a good chance. She died thinking it was Phil, her boyfriend that had killed her.

Steve:

Yes. Remember when you pointed that out to me, I was like, Oh my goodness.

Sean:

You're right. Because like,

Stephen:

it's just like, we don't know. And I think that's why she has that face of. What are you doing? Like, how is this happening to me? Why would you do this? And for me, that makes it even more tragic.

Sean:

Yeah. Well, definitely because she literally gets killed just because her name is Maureen. Oh, I know. Yeah. Like literally, like he had no, she's not connected to any of them. She has no connection to Sydney at all. She literally gets murdered because her name is Maureen. That

Steve:

is extremely unfortunate. Now another unfortunate name, coincidence was CC because that hurt my little Sarah Michelle Gellar,

Stephen:

because her name is Casey and real life. And so it corresponds to Casey Becker from the first film. And, but this scene with Sarah, Michelle Gellar. Is so good. It is

Sean:

so well done.

Steve:

Yes. This is kind of like their version of like the opening scene almost in the first one, in terms of like the one-on-one tension of having like the killer in the house. Oh.

Stephen:

And just the way that it's done, where, you know, she thinks that Steve is on the phone and okay, Steve, you sound loaded and who's Steve and you're like, Oh girl. Now it is time to run fun fact, the friend that's on the phone with her, that's giving her crap and it's doing the whole sounds is Selma. Blair, her future CoStar and cruelty.

Steve:

Yeah. And isn't that like one of her first like voice acting gigs or like first gigs

Stephen:

period. Yeah. That was one of Selma Blair's first things. And it was because whenever they were originally doing Whenever they were originally doing filming to kind of show what the movie could be. Kevin Williamson had some Blair do an on camera test of what Sidney's character would be like to show the studio and things. So, you know, Selma Blair is a, what could have been for Sydney if nev Campbell, weren't having her whole party of five moment at the time, but so you've got CC at home and it's this cat and mouse thing with, I remember back in the nineties too, of cordless telephones did have a specific range that you could go away from the base before they wouldn't work anymore. And I kept thinking like with her drop the phone, Go find the other party that was happening, you know, because she was the sober sister in case one of the sisters called I think whenever she's being terrified and stalked by someone on the phone, her job as sober sister is done and you can go find help. Yes,

Sean:

exactly. Yeah. Am I the only one though that sometimes answers the phone and they get better data? Yes. I literally do it every time. It's like a telemarketer. I literally answered the phone and make a bit of data. That's really good. I love that a lot. Do they hang up then? Yes. Yes. And also I love that scene where she's like running up the stairs because now after scary movie has come out, like. All I can think of is the parody movie, scary movie, because she's like throwing a piano down the stairs. And in, in the screen too, she like throws a bike, Adam and I'm like, huh. And then also this is something that I really love about the screen franchise too, is they do a really good job at not recreating the same ghost face and every film, by the way, each killer kills their people and her death is kind of the first time that I really noticed the difference between Mickey

Steve:

Mickey, Mickey. You're so

Sean:

fine. You kill everything. Yeah. So this is kind of the first time that I really realized that Mickey's way of killing people is different than the way Stu and The killers in the first movie did it because he just like is vicious. She gets stabbed in the bag very directly. And then you just like flings her off it. O'Kane, it's very violent. And just like, bam, bam, bam throw. And I think that that is really cool in a screen franchise. Cause if you watch all the movies, definitely kind of back to back, every movie ghost face has like a different killing style, which is

Stephen:

awesome. Disagree with you on this one, because I don't think Mickey is the one that killed CC. No, it was Debbie, Debbie salt killed CC.

Sean:

I honestly, I don't think Debbie Saul killed anybody. I always thought it was just because she's the one orchestrating it. And so she's like always around the killings to make sure that they go right.

Stephen:

I also think Debbie is the one in whenever Gail and Dewey are watching the videos that he, that Debbie is the one that stabs Dewey and that we think he's dead because. There, I don't think there's enough time for Mickey to be across town, to car, to get into the cop car,

Sean:

to kill him. Yeah. My whole thing is, I guess maybe you're not really supposed to pay attention to me, but looking back at it, it's just kind of the height thing, because like ghost face, when he kills Dewey is like taller than Dewey. Yeah. Also going back to Dewey's death, I would always find that funny watching, like, cause I love reaction videos and screen for some reason has gotten this new like insurgence of like younger people just discovering it. So there's a lot of reaction videos of people watching it. And every time I've watched one about screen two, everybody always laughs about the fact that Judy somehow survives again. But if you really it's because of cotton. Because remember when she runs into cotton, he's got blood all over him and he goes, I tried to help Dewey. Like he literally saves Dewey's life by doing something we don't know, but he probably was like doing CPR or making the blood stop. So he literally probably saved cotton's life or co Dewey's life.

Stephen:

That jump scare with cotton. It made me scream out loud in the theater because you think that at that point she's somewhat safe and she can run and get out of there. And she comes around the corner and cotton's right there. And it's that jump scare that, Oh yeah. That moment. Always,

Sean:

if somebody thinks you're the killer, maybe don't wear black, but those black boots like teller, they're wearing all black with those like black boots that I'm like, maybe you don't wear things that the killer would wear. Everyone

Steve:

had to wear a black boots so that they could all be considered suspects.

Stephen:

It's hilarious. Especially in the first movie, all the men had black boots that they had to wear it at some point to show, but let's go back to Randy because at this point, you know, he's one of the four main characters and then we have this interaction with the phone.

Sean:

what's up your favorite show girls? Absolutely frightened. What's yours. Sorry. Wait, let me guess the house was Roddy row. Do you want get your blood? Splatter university graduation day, final exam. Am I close?

Stephen:

Oh, so that was also a death that I didn't see coming, I guess, because I, because he had survived the first one, I marked him safe in my mind. And I think that was a big shock for everybody, especially because of the way they filmed it, that they kind of do this pan around him. And you think that he's out in the open and you don't realize that the area that they don't show is the van being right on the other side. And that that's where he bites it because she opens the door, pulls him in and stabs him for. Speaking ill of her little boy, because she had to get a little knife happy whenever he was speaking ill of her, Billy, you know? No, but

Sean:

yeah, no, but that should've been a foreshadow moment if he really kind of think about it.

Stephen:

Yeah. And nobody cares that Stu died, but, or did he die because that's, that's a big thing is people are talking about for the next one is, is Stu mocker dead because we really don't talk about it. Could he have survived the TV and the whole electrical shock? We don't know.

Sean:

Well also he he's been, the actor has been campaigning, like when it was announced that they were making another one, he wanted to come back and ski over riches actually listed on the cast for scream. The new one. So I dunno if it's in a flashback sequence or how they're going to do that. But also fun fact is your Stu the actor who plays to, what is his name?

Stephen:

Matthew Lillard. Matthew

Sean:

Lillard. Matthew Lillard. Yeah, shaggy. He's in the background in the frat scene. Like I was like a little, yeah, cause last thought it would be hilarious. Cause he showed up on the set just to kind of hang out and Wes was like, how about you just be in the background for a shot. And so like if you pay attention, like he's literally just hanging out in the background at the frat party,

Stephen:

he was, do you know why he came to visit the set?

Sean:

I don't

Stephen:

remember now because he and nev were dating. Oh yeah. Yep. And so that's the second love match with the screen movies, Nevin Nevin, Matthew met. And then we also had, you know, Courtney and David. Meeting and falling in love. And I love that during this movie that you can see the chemistry, the chemistry is so much stronger, especially that scene in the classroom where it starts outside. And you can see that she's making a big change in who she is, and he has never stopped loving her. And I just love their interactions in this movie, but I think we should talk about the most tragic death in the screen franchise that still is painful to this day. And it deals with, you know, Sydney's being escorted off campus cause it's gotten too close and her best friend Holly is going to go with her and they're driving along and they stop at a stoplight because of a detour. And lo and behold, the killers, their breaks in the car, slashes, the throat of one guy pulls him out. The other one gets out of the car, tries to shoot him. The killer gets behind the wheel and they start driving. And there's an accident. And is the killer dead? No, he's still breathing, but the only way for the girls to get out, because it is a cop car and you can't open the doors of a cop car from inside is to climb over the killer.

Steve:

So, and in that scene, just as you on the edge of

Sean:

time, like it's one of the best horror, horror sequences in history, because it's just you're just like it. And then you want her to. See who it is, you're actually kind of on her side or like, yeah, go pull off the dang map. The reason why. Yeah. And the reason why her roommate's death happens is because Sydney is like, I got to go back and when Sydney goes back, he's gone and then her roommate gets killed and it's the only death. And I think the entire franchise and the reason why I think it's so gut-wrenching is because it's directly correlating to something Sydney chose to do that got her killed. And it's like, Oh no, because she was responsible for that one kind of in a way.

Stephen:

Yeah. She and Holly had either run off and just kept running down the road or they had both gone back together. Holly might still be alive.

Sean:

Or if they would have just pulled the mask off at the very beginning or kill him, or there's a knife somewhere like you could have literally found the knife. And while he's passed out in the seat, just like stabbed them.

Stephen:

But that moment where she's trying to come across and she hits the horn and it honks and all, like, I can still watch it and I'll catch myself holding my breath as she's crawling across him. And you can see her athleticism come from her years of dance as Sydney is getting herself out that window. Oh, that is just, it's such a good scene. And again, what a different way to handle the scream franchise with that way of. Handling it, I mean, it's like in scream three, whenever they're at the house in the Hollywood Hills and you know, the one who smells the gas will S will survive. And there's an explosion. I mean, we didn't have explosions and scream. I love that they, this franchise keeps changing it up. Yes, yes.

Sean:

Yeah. They try to find different ways to add suspense, as opposed to just like run girl run, run, and somebody chasing somebody. So it was really kind of cool. And also like that whole sequence in the car, it's like an action sequence. It's like got sparks and a car and it's just like, Whoa, wow, we're going into like action movie territory. And then you just have this like slow, burns the stints of them crawl and over him and the way it's filmed with the camera being like real close to their face, you really get that sense that they're just like I, and like inches apart from each other. And it's just like it's it's genius. Yes.

Stephen:

And the last major kill Sydney gets Sydney hears the music coming from the theater and she heads in and she's expecting this to be the final showdown. And she finds Derek strung up on lacrosse and she starts to untie him and then Mickey shows up and unmasks himself and he's got the wound on his head. So, you know, he was the one that was just in the car with them and killed Halee and he starts going into the hole. You know, I had to do everything by myself because Derek abandoned me. Thanks a lot partner. And you're like, no, not again. And even Sydney's thinking no dot again. And Derek's like, don't listen to him. Sidney and boyfriend killed her boyfriend, killed her boyfriend killer. What are you going to do? Are you having some flashbacks? Hid. And then Derek or Mickey takes the decision away from us and shoots him right in the chest. And then Sidney knows this guy. Wasn't going to be someone that would have hurt you. This guy was for real. And even though Derek died, I think she needed that to show that not everyone in her life is going to betray her. So that was even though it caused more trauma for her, I think it also healed a certain wound for her and poor Derek though.

Sean:

I mean, the message behind that is don't join a frat because if you do. Your frat boys will put you on a cross and then you'll get shot by ghost face. I was

Steve:

gonna say you had me until that last minute. I mean, if you had a bunch of frat boys putting me on. Yeah.

Sean:

Well what I really love about Derek's character too, is that Eagle eye fans of a screen franchise will see that he gives her his Greek letter necklace. And in screen three, she wears it throughout the entire movie. So she takes that with her because she's still connected to him. And I just loved that in screen three, she's still wearing that necklace. It's just, it's such a girl. And

Stephen:

there were many versions of this script because. This is one of the first ones where assholes decided to start leaking it to the internet. And there were different versions where there were a variety of killers. There was one where it was Eric and Holly were lovers and they were the killers. There was one where Derek was working with Mrs. Lumis. There's one where so the one with Derek and Holly, where they were the lovers at the end after cotton shows, cotton shows up and cotton ends up killing the other killers. It's cotton versus Sydney, and you take stark and he turns dark and they ended up stabbing each other and cotton and Sydney die side by side. And this really was supposed to be the final screen because they like when Dewey was killed in the school, that was him supposed to die. Gail was supposed to die on the stage there. And then that script got leaked. And so they had to rewrite so many things. They took Holly and a completely different direction. They bump Mickey. Up. And now he is. And so I think that that is, it was for the

Steve:

best, but also it's funny how I've, you know, people hindsight's always 2020, or you can rewrite your history and rec con however you want, if you try hard enough, because back in the time it was shown as a leak from someone on set and saying it was real. And no one at the time said like, no, it wasn't JK. Like everyone acted like a big thing. But now as of 2017 Williams since said that that leaks script was one of the three fake drew drafts that he made to throw people off of the real ending and that this was the ending he had in mind all along.

Stephen:

And like, it seems like

Steve:

his, his staff was like, huh? Really?

Sean:

Yeah. Well, what I also love too is in screen three, they address that because in screen three, the characters are dying in the order that they die in the stab movie. And they even say like, there's different scripts. Like they made different scripts to keep the killer a secret. And it's like, you guys did that intentionally because you were mad about what happened on the screen too. So it's like that's genius.

Stephen:

Yeah. And so, as we've said, we get to the end where it's Derek and his you know, blame the movies thing and Mrs. Lumus who hers is more natural, old fashioned, revenge,

Steve:

and quickly, she's like, fuck that with Nikki shoots him in the head

Stephen:

because I mean, where you're really gonna believe that blame the movies defense or, she shoots him and you think that he's out and. The chase scene with Sid and Mrs. Lumis where, you know, the pro the set's already down and, you know, she starts turning the set against Mrs. Luma's. That way sound

Sean:

effects in everything she really wanted to like, make it theatrical. I'm like Sydney, I understand hitting the ropes and knocking things down and making the lights fall. But did you really need the thunder and the line? She was just like going for it. I'm like, that's hilarious. Yeah, because dad was like already

Steve:

dialed up to like 11 before this all happened, but she's up to like a 20, by the end of all of

Sean:

this,

Stephen:

she goes full on Faroe.

Sean:

Yeah. And then also like, Oh no, she got squished by a bunch of styrofoam rocks. And that's what that's

Stephen:

supposed to like kill her. That's what I told Steve too. I was like, anybody that's done theater. Knows that those are styrofoam and she's going to be fine. Like she may be, you know, she may have like the, got the wind knocked out of her from falling.

Sean:

She might've sprained her ankle a little. Yeah.

Stephen:

It is again, like with the leach script, cotton comes in and you know, Mrs. Lewis has sit around the throat and she's doing the whole, she put you in jail

Sean:

for a year. Honestly,

Stephen:

I think that this is deserved. Let me kill her. And cotton says, you know, I bet you that interview with Diane, Sawyer's looking pretty good about right about now. Isn't it sad? And it's consider it done.

Sean:

Boom. One of, one of Sydney's iconic last moment lines. I feel like every screen movie has had times of like unscreened for when Gail was like, I just want to say one word clear and then she's like clear and infinity just thought then it goes clear, sir. Oh, it's genius. Yeah, it

Stephen:

is. And I love that. Thankfully, Gail was fine after being shot by Mickey in the ribs and they're up there and said to her, or Gail turns to sit and says, can I have that gun? And then they both have the gun. Mickey comes up with his and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom enough that he flies backwards. And then Sidney turns around and she's like F it and shoots Mrs. Loomis right in the head. It was awesome. It was so. Good. And you know, then they go outside and it starts mimicking scream one a little bit because the cameraman's there for Gail and he's like, come on, we're going to do it like the old days and reporting from Windsor college. And then they bring Dale. Then you hear me out. And he says, Gail, Gail. But unlike in the first one, she drops the microphone and runs to him.

Sean:

She gets an ambulance with them too, I believe. And then at the, into the camera, like does the whole pan out thing. And

Stephen:

and Sydney, you know, makes good with cotton where she's like, if you want to know what really happened. Talk to cotton.

Sean:

That might be a little self-serving too, because she just doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore. It's just probably like you take it.

Steve:

Oh yeah, I know. But it was a win-win for everyone. It

Stephen:

is. And cotton gets his, you know, 15 minutes of fame that he parlays into a whole career and, you know, the men

Sean:

happily

Steve:

ever after ever

Stephen:

happen. And he might even marry an actress from Melrose place who knows.

Steve:

And so what, what are your

Sean:

three doesn't know how to dry her feet off? Because then the third one, I always was like, you're getting a lot of water on your wood floors. I think about when I watch horror films, I'm like, Oh no, that looks like extension wood flooring.

Steve:

Yes. So any final thoughts on the

Sean:

movie? Genius.

Stephen:

It, it honestly is like they stepped up their game with this film, not just the writing and the directing, but the kills, the acting, the size of the cast. You care more about the cast in this one? I just think overall, this is a better movie than scream one. It is, it is the screen movie that if I'm in the mood for a screen movie, this is the one that I'll be like, let's watch screen two. Yeah,

Steve:

we, we, we watched this multiple times preparing for it and it didn't get old. So that was a sign. It was a good

Stephen:

episode. It definitely does not get old.

Sean:

But I also like about it too, as sequel sometimes have the tendency and they kind of talk about it in the movie of like trying too hard to like, make it bigger or make it grander or make it crazier and screamed too does that, but it's still very contained, very organized, very direct with its approach so that it feels still very real. And their budget went way up, but they didn't have to, they didn't go crazy with it. They kept it still very much in the same tone as the first one, whereas like, The third one kind of goes a little crazy because it tries too hard. I, in my opinion so I really appreciated scream to still being like, no, we're still going to do it the same way that we did screen one. We're just going to advance the characters a little bit more and make their story focused on their story and their, their character progression, as opposed to like bigger, better bang, explosions, all that stuff.

Steve:

You ended up with a tenure timeout.

Sean:

Right? Exactly. Yeah.

Steve:

Thank you so much for joining us. And if people want more of you and are going to be checking out your YouTube channel, what are some of the songs and make-overs that you've done already, that people can look forward to.

Sean:

Yeah, well, everybody wants more of me. Yeah, no I'm so on the channel and there is a video, it was the first video I ever did. It was actually just me doing Beetlejuice, the musical makeup on myself. That video is very long because it was before I really realized how to act. And then I have done Ariel and Lola from kinky boots on a friend I've done make a rough from Hercules. Down the pipeline, there is a juggle on hide video coming out. There is a Seusical video coming out and there is also just some special edition videos coming out, including one where I just did a makeup look on a friend and we listened to music from our youth and like, comment about how songs like, kind of. Progressed our lives. So a lot of fun stuff kind of going on and coming out and everything. It's just finding the time and really grow in that channel. So if you really are looking for something to just kind of escape and you want to laugh at me because I'm a hot mess feel free to check out my channel.

Stephen:

And what, and what is it called again for our

Sean:

listeners? It is called makeup and saying,

Stephen:

all right, excellent. And that is Shawn Walker, mys. And thank you so much for joining us and you know, who we would love to have join us who are fans. Yes, our

Steve:

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Stephen:

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Steve:

And until next time everyone stay

Sean:

happy.